Oil change
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Oil change
I change my Oil twice a year (before bedding down for Winter, and when bring out Spring) Drive 6-10,000 Km per year.
Local Porsche specialist charges 1 hr labour($75) + materials to change the Oil + Filter.
He advises against using Mr Lube (one of those drive through fast oil change places). I do not have the gear (hoist, etc) to do myself.
Is there a huge mystery here, or can I purchase the 2 filters, go to Mr Lube and ask for Mobil 1 ?
Local Porsche specialist charges 1 hr labour($75) + materials to change the Oil + Filter.
He advises against using Mr Lube (one of those drive through fast oil change places). I do not have the gear (hoist, etc) to do myself.
Is there a huge mystery here, or can I purchase the 2 filters, go to Mr Lube and ask for Mobil 1 ?
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An hour of labor. What is slow or retarded. This is what i mean about getting ripped off from the dealers. I think their general attitude is since you are driving a fancy car. We(dealers) love to rip you off for service.
I am seeking a similar solution to this problems also.
I am seeking a similar solution to this problems also.
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If you don't want to do this yourself find an independent shop. I wouldn't take my car to a Jiffy Lube-type place.
You don't have to use a lift. You need a floor jack or ramps, it really isn't that tough.
Greg
You don't have to use a lift. You need a floor jack or ramps, it really isn't that tough.
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Jim,
First, if you don't drive the car in the winter, it is unnecessary to change before you store and then change again in the Spring. For the low Km driven yearly, I think changing before you store and change yearly should be ok with Mobil 1.
If your garage only charges $75.00 USD for a oil change that is inexpensive. I pay about 100-125 USD for labor, plus oil and filters.
I would never trust a quick lube place changing my oil. There are two drain plugs, and some education required in change the 993 oil. Plus I think it is important for a knowledgeable mechanic to look under the car for preventive maintenance. I know of national quick lube place by me that tried changing the oil on a 993. They drained only one plug and filled it with 10 quarts of oil. So overall the owner probably drove away with over 15 quarts of oil. Car could not stop smoking and was leaking when driving away.
Another alternate is checking Robin's p-car site and doing it yourself.
First, if you don't drive the car in the winter, it is unnecessary to change before you store and then change again in the Spring. For the low Km driven yearly, I think changing before you store and change yearly should be ok with Mobil 1.
If your garage only charges $75.00 USD for a oil change that is inexpensive. I pay about 100-125 USD for labor, plus oil and filters.
I would never trust a quick lube place changing my oil. There are two drain plugs, and some education required in change the 993 oil. Plus I think it is important for a knowledgeable mechanic to look under the car for preventive maintenance. I know of national quick lube place by me that tried changing the oil on a 993. They drained only one plug and filled it with 10 quarts of oil. So overall the owner probably drove away with over 15 quarts of oil. Car could not stop smoking and was leaking when driving away.
Another alternate is checking Robin's p-car site and doing it yourself.
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Do it yourself. If you know what a ratchet is, then you have the mechanical appitude to do it. It is just time consuming. Print out <a href="http://p-car.com/diy/changeoil/" target="_blank">these</a> directions and parts list and pictures and go for it. Took me two hours the first time, much less the second, even less the third and so on. If you don't know how to jack up your car and other basic stuff, you can find it all <a href="http://p-car.com/diy/diy.htm" target="_blank">here</a>. Special thanx to Robin as always for such a great site.
If you still don't want to do it yourself, I would not complain about $75. I think most independants in the USA charge more than that.
E. J.
If you still don't want to do it yourself, I would not complain about $75. I think most independants in the USA charge more than that.
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Thanks guys. I checked Robin's site and by the time I purchase ramps, etc, probably better off to let the shop do it. Besides as was rightly pointed out a mechanic may spot another problem.
BTW, I was told by same mechanic that after the car sits for the winter, oxidation builds up in the oil - this is reason for changing....
BTW, I was told by same mechanic that after the car sits for the winter, oxidation builds up in the oil - this is reason for changing....
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Jim, I would NOT trust one of these Jiffy Lube places with ANY 911 - esp. a 993. Older models were easy but still quite different from a Ford pick-um-up (or such) they normally see. A 993 is significantly more complicated, esp. getting at the second oil filter under the engine and removing the rear fender and side skirt covers to get at the oil tank drain (which has a unique O-ring) and the oil tank filter.
Bring it to someone who knows 993s or else do it yourself. Might see if you can find someone who has done it before to give a helping hand guidance in your garage.
Bring it to someone who knows 993s or else do it yourself. Might see if you can find someone who has done it before to give a helping hand guidance in your garage.
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[quote]Originally posted by Jim Carmichael:
<strong>Thanks guys. I checked Robin's site and by the time I purchase ramps, etc,
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All these tools might cost more the first time around, but by your second or third oil change, you'll be ahead of the game.
<strong>Thanks guys. I checked Robin's site and by the time I purchase ramps, etc,
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All these tools might cost more the first time around, but by your second or third oil change, you'll be ahead of the game.
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I second the vote for doing it yourself. You may even find a few posrche buddies crazy enough to drive 100 miles to help you out. 
It's really pretty easy after the first time. I think that the next time, I can get it under an hour. Probably the most time consuming part is lifting the car onto 4 jack stands properly. Changing the oil and filters are easy if you've gone thorugh it once before.
I've made some changes to Robin's DIY <a href="http://www.cuberootconsulting.com/~jchan/oilchange/" target="_blank">here</a>. I cleaned up the text a bit and add more pictures and tips.
If you are concerned about price of components, you can definately get it cheaper online vs dealer. The filters are about $20 for both online, as opposed to $20 each at the dealer.
The oil can be gotten for as little as $2.49/qt as opposed to upwards of $9/qt at some dealers.
A rough calculation of materials cost at the dealer totals about $130.00.
A rough calculation of costs if you buy your own parts is about $45.00.
A difference of $85.00, which is pretty significant.
If you were in the Bay Area, you could bring your car over and I'd show you how to do it.
Jeff
It's really pretty easy after the first time. I think that the next time, I can get it under an hour. Probably the most time consuming part is lifting the car onto 4 jack stands properly. Changing the oil and filters are easy if you've gone thorugh it once before.
I've made some changes to Robin's DIY <a href="http://www.cuberootconsulting.com/~jchan/oilchange/" target="_blank">here</a>. I cleaned up the text a bit and add more pictures and tips.
If you are concerned about price of components, you can definately get it cheaper online vs dealer. The filters are about $20 for both online, as opposed to $20 each at the dealer.
The oil can be gotten for as little as $2.49/qt as opposed to upwards of $9/qt at some dealers.
A rough calculation of materials cost at the dealer totals about $130.00.
A rough calculation of costs if you buy your own parts is about $45.00.
A difference of $85.00, which is pretty significant.
If you were in the Bay Area, you could bring your car over and I'd show you how to do it.
Jeff
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[quote]Originally posted by tom_993:
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All these tools might cost more the first time around, but by your second or third oil change, you'll be ahead of the game.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, that's what I keep telling me wife. Spending more money will save me money in the future!! LOL! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />
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All these tools might cost more the first time around, but by your second or third oil change, you'll be ahead of the game.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, that's what I keep telling me wife. Spending more money will save me money in the future!! LOL! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />
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My local Porsche repair guy (not Dealer, but specialist) charges $ 8.20 / litre Mobil 1.
Canadian Tire (Home & Auto supermarket), charges $ 6.25 - a substantial savings over time.
I think I will buy a couple of cases and take it to the guy.
Thanks for the kind offer to help, but driving to California would not sell well with the CFO at home.
At the next Porsche Club meeting, I will ask around.
Canadian Tire (Home & Auto supermarket), charges $ 6.25 - a substantial savings over time.
I think I will buy a couple of cases and take it to the guy.
Thanks for the kind offer to help, but driving to California would not sell well with the CFO at home.
At the next Porsche Club meeting, I will ask around.
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Jim,
check out the previous posting about the cheapest place to get Mobil 1. The park place motors place that I recommended only charges $5.85/qt, $3.50 flat rate shipping, and no sales tax to CA.
they are very prompt with their shipments also. I went to the offical Mobil 1 site and they wanted about $30 for shipping. Yikes...
for commodity items, it really doesn't make sense to pay extra. It's the same wheter you paid 9/qt or 5/qt. Save that extra money for services or other go fast parts.
Jeff
check out the previous posting about the cheapest place to get Mobil 1. The park place motors place that I recommended only charges $5.85/qt, $3.50 flat rate shipping, and no sales tax to CA.
they are very prompt with their shipments also. I went to the offical Mobil 1 site and they wanted about $30 for shipping. Yikes...
for commodity items, it really doesn't make sense to pay extra. It's the same wheter you paid 9/qt or 5/qt. Save that extra money for services or other go fast parts.
Jeff