Notices
993 Forum 1995-1998

Octane gas question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-21-2016, 01:56 PM
  #1  
Ron
Addict
Rennlist Member

Thread Starter
 
Ron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Charleston, SC
Posts: 1,980
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Octane gas question

I used to have a few service stations that sold pure gasoline 93 octane, now those stations only have pure gas with 90 octane. They all sell 93 octane with ethanol.

Why no more 93 pure gas I have not been able to determine.

So question is which better choice at this time? 90 octane pure gas or 93 octane with ethanol?
Old 09-21-2016, 01:59 PM
  #2  
Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems
RL Technical Advisor
 
Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland Oregon
Posts: 11,871
Likes: 0
Received 64 Likes on 48 Posts
Default

Use 93 with ethanol and add Marine Stabil for protection.
Old 09-21-2016, 07:25 PM
  #3  
GBX
Rennlist Member
 
GBX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: LI
Posts: 2,437
Received 268 Likes on 125 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems
Use 93 with ethanol and add Marine Stabil for protection.
Interesting.....how frequently??
Old 09-21-2016, 07:37 PM
  #4  
Bill Verburg
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Bill Verburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 12,254
Received 510 Likes on 350 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Ron
I used to have a few service stations that sold pure gasoline 93 octane, now those stations only have pure gas with 90 octane. They all sell 93 octane with ethanol.

Why no more 93 pure gas I have not been able to determine.

So question is which better choice at this time? 90 octane pure gas or 93 octane with ethanol?
The only place I've seen 93 or better pure gas is at racetrack pumps

91 pure gas has been generally available around here for a few years

From what I can see 91 pure will run as well as 93 w/ 10% ethanol. The reason is that the energy content of the ethanol blend is lower so a larger volume of fuel will be needed, this causes the injectors to run closer to the ragged edge of their duty cycle where they are less efficient. This is for track use, in street use it's probably not much different.

I've been using Startron(preferred) or Stabile for longer term storage when an ethanol blend is in the car. The reason for using a stabilizer is that gas and ethanol will separate from each other over time w/ temperature fluctuations( spring and fall are the worst), The stabilizer alleviates the issue.
Old 09-21-2016, 08:59 PM
  #5  
cdturne
Advanced
 
cdturne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems
Use 93 with ethanol and add Marine Stabil for protection.
How much StaBil Marine to use to counteract the ethanol? I've been using 1oz/10 gal. Is that enough?

Also, I usually pour it in after fill up so it doesn't get "mixed" in till later. Is this an issue?

Thanks
Old 09-21-2016, 09:15 PM
  #6  
Cactus
Noodle Jr.
Rennlist Member
 
Cactus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Mountville, PA
Posts: 9,881
Received 207 Likes on 133 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by cdturne
How much StaBil Marine to use to counteract the ethanol? I've been using 1oz/10 gal. Is that enough?

Also, I usually pour it in after fill up so it doesn't get "mixed" in till later. Is this an issue?

Thanks
Why wouldn't you put it in first so it gets mixed right away?
Old 09-21-2016, 09:32 PM
  #7  
NC TRACKRAT
Rennlist Member
 
NC TRACKRAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Posts: 3,948
Received 431 Likes on 272 Posts
Default

This may be of use: http://www.pure-gas.org/extensions/map.html
Old 09-21-2016, 10:57 PM
  #8  
nine9six
Banned
 
nine9six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Oregon
Posts: 5,465
Likes: 0
Received 25 Likes on 23 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Cactus
Why wouldn't you put it in first so it gets mixed right away?
Thats what I do...Marine Stabil in first, then fuel to mix it thuroughly in the fuel tank.
Old 09-22-2016, 02:57 AM
  #9  
djantlive
Drifting
 
djantlive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,420
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

How does stabil improve the gas?
Old 09-22-2016, 09:09 AM
  #10  
pp000830
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
pp000830's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 9,596
Received 1,448 Likes on 1,020 Posts
Default

I use whatever 93/92 pump gas that is available. Once a year I put two consecutive tank fulls with Techron added. Seems the issue with alcohol blended gas for a daily driver is overblown. Now for cars stored over winter or that sit for weeks at a time treating the fuel may always be a good idea.
Old 09-22-2016, 09:44 AM
  #11  
EMBPilot
Banned
 
EMBPilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Jersey Shore
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by nine9six
Thats what I do...Marine Stabil in first, then fuel to mix it thuroughly in the fuel tank.
you do this regularly, every tank? i had no idea this was commonly used in our cars
Old 09-22-2016, 11:06 AM
  #12  
HPNer
Advanced
 
HPNer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Wales, UK
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

A question on octane rating from a guy called Ron . . .
You couldn't make it up . . .!
Old 09-22-2016, 11:23 AM
  #13  
sdm100
Rennlist Member
 
sdm100's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 909
Received 211 Likes on 108 Posts
Default

Stabil makes an ethanol treatment so you don't need the marine brand

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/s...FYEYgQodZ9ULtA
Old 09-22-2016, 11:42 AM
  #14  
fsa
Burning Brakes
 
fsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 851
Received 172 Likes on 89 Posts
Default Stabil

Stabilizers like Stabil are critical to use in small gasoline engines, like lawnmowers. Ethanol gums up carbs and loves to help digest rubber.

HOW MUCH STA-BIL® ADDITIVE SHOULD I ADD TO FUEL?
For STA-BIL® Storage, use one ounce (30mL) to 2½ gallons (9.5L) of gasoline, gas/oil mixtures, or ethanol blends.

For STA-BIL 360° Performance, for storage and everyday ethanol treatment​ use one ounce (30mL) to 5 gallons (19 L) of gasoline, gas/oil mixtures, or ethanol blends.

For STA-BIL 360° Marine, for storage and everyday ethanol treatment​ use one ounce (30mL) to 10 gallons (38 L) of gasoline, gas/oil mixtures, or ethanol blends.
Old 09-22-2016, 12:22 PM
  #15  
Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems
RL Technical Advisor
 
Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland Oregon
Posts: 11,871
Likes: 0
Received 64 Likes on 48 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Cactus
Why wouldn't you put it in first so it gets mixed right away?
Yessir!

This is the correct way to use ANY fuel additive.


Quick Reply: Octane gas question



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 06:02 AM.