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Old 05-05-2015, 01:17 PM
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What you'll have is what's in my faux RS. Which ended up being a $30K build. In 2003. Then, after that grenaded (granted, user error with the prior owner), the reliability stuff went in with a 964 crank/Pauter rods/GT3R pump + another engine case.

Honest 300HP with a stock exhaust, almost 320 with a good one.
Old 05-05-2015, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by saneproductions
I am going 3.8 for sure, what would you add to what I am doing?

Planning:
3.8 bore in 109 P and C
RS cams and better springs
Head work (port and polish, new valve seats)
Stock rods with arp rod bolts
Oil pump mods
Main bearings and rod bearings
IMS shafts
Oil thermostat
Misc Etc per stock rebuild
Chip
Clutch kit with master and slave cylinders

Phase 2
Re-gear
AASCO LWFW
Etc.

Possible Phase 3
Intake
ECU
Tuning
PM Me and I'll give you a shopping list.....
Old 05-05-2015, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by saneproductions
Thanks for your thoughts here. Just to be clear we are doing a full proper rebuild as you would with the 3.6 plus the head and cam work, we are also adding displacement as well and using the good Mahle bore in stuff.
I am not hung up at all on the extra cost for P and C and case work. Also I am going to do a re-gear within the next year or two as well.

What specific parts outside of what I list do you think are needed?

This is a street car with the stock redline to be used as our daily driver.
Sweet! I love open checkbook builds. Can't wait to see results..

I next thought is upgrading brakes and suspension bits to handle all that power. You wanted to fall off that cliff.

Personally, I would price everything out and then ask Ken how much he is willing to part out his faux RS. You know that lump was built correctly.
Old 05-05-2015, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Verburg
I used the RSR Mahles, the 109mm bases have a more robust seal that the 3.6 and bore in 107's lack. The big bores push a lot of air around internally, the GT3 runs the cc below atmospheric as an even better solution but needs the GT3 oil pump, special seals and a special breather valve. The RSR's also have nifty l/w tapered bore wrist pins, every gram you save in reciprocating weight is critical. If you can get the sets w/ asymmetrical wristpin o/s that is a +, I have the old symmetrical ones they are supposed to have more piston slap but I haven't noticed it, maybe if I could hear both sets side buy side it would be more obvious.

a friend has a supercharger kit on his track only 993, got to admit that it is very nice w/ a unique sound, the only problem was a spin that blew the intake off the engine, but I have seen that on n/a too.
Thanks for your notes on this, I will check into lightweight tapered wrist pins if my kit does not include them. This is the newer version of the P and C kit.
Old 05-05-2015, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by race911
What you'll have is what's in my faux RS. Which ended up being a $30K build. In 2003. Then, after that grenaded (granted, user error with the prior owner), the reliability stuff went in with a 964 crank/Pauter rods/GT3R pump + another engine case.

Honest 300HP with a stock exhaust, almost 320 with a good one.
I did look into a different crank and rods, bu with the stock redline, it is my understanding that they are not needed at this level of build. Thoughts?

As for the oil pump I am still researching what I am going to do for this.

Any other parts?
Old 05-05-2015, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chsu74
Sweet! I love open checkbook builds. Can't wait to see results..

I next thought is upgrading brakes and suspension bits to handle all that power. You wanted to fall off that cliff.

Personally, I would price everything out and then ask Ken how much he is willing to part out his faux RS. You know that lump was built correctly.
Thanks for your comments! I am really happy with my M030 suspension (my car had this option stock) it was refreshed including bushings, dampers etc just a few years ago and is in great shape. Who knows, I may go with bilsten HDs or PSS10 setup later, but I want to get the engine done first. As to brakes, it really stops well now, but who knows, maybe someday I will go for big reds. Remember though that this is a daily driver and my main concern to start is to build a good mechanical base for future work.
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Maybe I missed it, but, who is doing the build for you?
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Mike!!! You went down the slope and then fell off the cliff head first! Big build and project for your car. Looking forward to seeing the results at 993fest. Should be a beast. You're right, your wife is a keeper. Most spouses would have threatened divorce over a rebuild like this. Nicely done.
Old 05-05-2015, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MDamen
Maybe I missed it, but, who is doing the build for you?
It is a local Seattle shop that also manages a racing team, but I am not sure what the etiquette is for posting here and I don't want to get into a this shop vs that shop debate. I am sticking with my great shop for sure.

Feel free to PM me.
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Originally Posted by Busta Rib
Mike!!! You went down the slope and then fell off the cliff head first! Big build and project for your car. Looking forward to seeing the results at 993fest. Should be a beast. You're right, your wife is a keeper. Most spouses would have threatened divorce over a rebuild like this. Nicely done.
Thanks Jim! Nicely summed up, she is the best! Looking forward to seeing you (and your new car) too! Thanks, as always for your help and support.

Mike
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Originally Posted by saneproductions
I am going 3.8 for sure, what would you add to what I am doing?

Planning:
3.8 bore in 109 P and C
RS cams and better springs
Head work (port and polish, new valve seats)
Stock rods with arp rod bolts
Oil pump mods
Main bearings and rod bearings
IMS shafts
Oil thermostat
Misc Etc per stock rebuild
Chip
Clutch kit with master and slave cylinders

Phase 2
Re-gear
AASCO LWFW
Etc.

Possible Phase 3
Intake
ECU
Tuning

Should you still be single add a girl with deep pockets to the shopping list...
Old 05-05-2015, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Holytin
Should you still be single add a girl with deep pockets to the shopping list...
My wonderful wife is totally supportive on this so good news!
Old 05-06-2015, 11:42 AM
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Why not just get 9M heads and cams? Way more power than the RS stuff (see my sig)
Old 05-06-2015, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Holytin
Should you still be single add a girl with deep pockets to the shopping list...
The 993 IS a girl with a DEEP pocket shopping list. Virtually guarantee that your wallet will be lighter!


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