Top End Rebuild on 95 993 in Minnesota
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Gandalf, As it was said by 993mpls, Courtney Truck - Give them a call. They specialize in Air-cooled Porsches, even though the name doesn't reflect it. I have had brakes and oil changes done there and the prices are always reasonable. If you're top-end involves a complete head machining, valve guides, lifters, rockers and maybe even a few valves, you're definitely up in the range you're talking about tho... Which 993 do you have?
I've raced with the guys throughout the region. Great crew, great cars and absolutely squared away.
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As for your statement that INA is "notorious for bad lifters", where is your evidence of that?
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Not trying to bash INA and sorry if I offended you, but the fact that these lifters must frequently be replaced and often fail within 10,000 miles is inescapable:
1. Many fail within 10,000 miles or less - https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...et-lifter.html
2. The thread I was referring to regarding possible re-spec sans quality controls - http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...messing-2.html
3. Top Gun from Rennlist noting it's not uncommon to get a bad one (Quadcammer, you're in this thread) - https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...che-brand.html
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Gandalf, As it was said by 993mpls, Courtney Truck - Give them a call. They specialize in Air-cooled Porsches, even though the name doesn't reflect it. I have had brakes and oil changes done there and the prices are always reasonable. If you're top-end involves a complete head machining, valve guides, lifters, rockers and maybe even a few valves, you're definitely up in the range you're talking about tho... Which 993 do you have?
Wanted to add as well that the estimate reads $7300 and not $7800. My bad. I thought I heard 78 on the phone.
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I'm doing my own top end rebuild and the replacement parts and machine work are right around $10K. It really depends what you expect them to do with the "while you're in there" type work. The clutch being a prime example, once they get the engine out, you'll be staring at the flywheel and clutch, very easy to replace, less than an hours of work but probably $2K worth of parts.
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For what it is worth, I have 2 993s and nobody touches them but AutoEdge. I love the guys and have gone there for over a decade. Great guys, highly reliable and they do great work. They've been Porsche guys forever.
Courtney Truck did a PPI on my friends 993 he sold and warned the buyer not to buy it because of a "winding" sound when slowing from high speeds that could be an expensive fix. What they heard was the spoiler going down. Enough said.
Courtney Truck did a PPI on my friends 993 he sold and warned the buyer not to buy it because of a "winding" sound when slowing from high speeds that could be an expensive fix. What they heard was the spoiler going down. Enough said.
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Mike holds these records alone in PCA GTC1...this would be a 964 Cup.
He KNOWS these cars.
Heartland MIKE COURTNEY F E 1:38.566 1:38.566 100.0 2004-10-30 67
Mid-America MIKE COURTNEY F E 1:43.474 1:43.474 100.0 2006-06-03 25
CMP MIKE COURTNEY GTC1 GTC1 1:43.336 1:43.336 100.0 2008-11-01 4
Brainerd MIKE COURTNEY J J 1:47.588 1:47.588 100.0 2013-07-27 3
Hastings MIKE COURTNEY J J 1:36.677 1:36.677 100.0 2014-05-31 2
Hastings MIKE COURTNEY GTC1 GTC1 1:36.523 1:36.523 100.0 2007-06-02 2
Hallett MIKE COURTNEY J J 1:23.399 1:23.399 100.0 2013-10-06 1
Hallett MIKE COURTNEY GTC1 GTC1 1:26.172 1:26.172 100.0 2012-10-07 1
Mid-Ohio Pro Course MIKE COURTNEY GTC1 GTC1 1:38.192 1:38.192 100.0 2010-05-16 1
He KNOWS these cars.
Heartland MIKE COURTNEY F E 1:38.566 1:38.566 100.0 2004-10-30 67
Mid-America MIKE COURTNEY F E 1:43.474 1:43.474 100.0 2006-06-03 25
CMP MIKE COURTNEY GTC1 GTC1 1:43.336 1:43.336 100.0 2008-11-01 4
Brainerd MIKE COURTNEY J J 1:47.588 1:47.588 100.0 2013-07-27 3
Hastings MIKE COURTNEY J J 1:36.677 1:36.677 100.0 2014-05-31 2
Hastings MIKE COURTNEY GTC1 GTC1 1:36.523 1:36.523 100.0 2007-06-02 2
Hallett MIKE COURTNEY J J 1:23.399 1:23.399 100.0 2013-10-06 1
Hallett MIKE COURTNEY GTC1 GTC1 1:26.172 1:26.172 100.0 2012-10-07 1
Mid-Ohio Pro Course MIKE COURTNEY GTC1 GTC1 1:38.192 1:38.192 100.0 2010-05-16 1
#24
Burning Brakes
Jeppesen Imports did the PPI on my C4S and all of the required work. I talked to the owner Joe, and we coordinated everything all over the phone. The car was in Minnesota and I live in Rhode Island. I was able to buy my own parts and have them sent right to his shop. I would defintiely trust them. They did nice work.
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Drifting
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I'm sorry, but 3 threads as old as 2007, don't make a rampant issue. I'd not say that there is any evidence that your statement: " fact that these lifters must frequently be replaced and often fail within 10,000 miles is inescapable", is true. I'd say many here have done this task, using Ina lifters.
I'm not one to cut corners. I spent north of $3500 in parts to do my clutch and other "while in there" stuff when I pulled my engine about a year ago. Did lots that some wouldn't do. So, it's not a matter of cutting corners.
Bad oil check valve-could be fatal
Bad lifter-nuisance (based on long shot of it happening)
I'm not one to cut corners. I spent north of $3500 in parts to do my clutch and other "while in there" stuff when I pulled my engine about a year ago. Did lots that some wouldn't do. So, it's not a matter of cutting corners.
Bad oil check valve-could be fatal
Bad lifter-nuisance (based on long shot of it happening)
Not trying to bash INA and sorry if I offended you, but the fact that these lifters must frequently be replaced and often fail within 10,000 miles is inescapable:
1. Many fail within 10,000 miles or less - https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...et-lifter.html
2. The thread I was referring to regarding possible re-spec sans quality controls - http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...messing-2.html
3. Top Gun from Rennlist noting it's not uncommon to get a bad one (Quadcammer, you're in this thread) - https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...che-brand.html
1. Many fail within 10,000 miles or less - https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...et-lifter.html
2. The thread I was referring to regarding possible re-spec sans quality controls - http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...messing-2.html
3. Top Gun from Rennlist noting it's not uncommon to get a bad one (Quadcammer, you're in this thread) - https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...che-brand.html
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+1 to that. I've got 125k and just had a LWFW & RS clutch installed (it's first clutch replacement). It pulls like a freight train and no smoke at start-up. I've heard of our cars going 200k+ before needing any top end work.
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Drifting
My car has 115k on the clock and barely burns any oil- I haven't topped off between my annual oil service in 10 years so I'm not expecting a top end anytime soon. Pulls like new and rips around the track. Good girl....