A Somewhat Lengthy Introduction, etc.
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I wonder if the community would find a Singer conversion acceptable (and yeah, I realize it's not a 964).
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This was definitely a great read. I definitely enjoyed reading this introduction. Your 993 looks so stunning.
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So here's the question JD...with a time-warp car like this that you clearly plan on driving more than the PO...do you upgrade/replace items that would enhance further your already high satisfaction of driving it or do you keep it totally original? Thinking beyond needed items like tires for safety reasons of course.
Even with only 4k on the odo, time takes its toll on things like bushings and other perishable items and new technology since the car was new make these cars even more enjoyable today. Things like control arm bushings, shocks/springs, ARBs, exhaust, etc. are popular updates on these cars, but I wonder whether keeping the car completely "analog" and appreciating it for what it is as an original car is preferable to making it slightly "less analog" and of course less original, but improving the driving experience?
Just curious...
Even with only 4k on the odo, time takes its toll on things like bushings and other perishable items and new technology since the car was new make these cars even more enjoyable today. Things like control arm bushings, shocks/springs, ARBs, exhaust, etc. are popular updates on these cars, but I wonder whether keeping the car completely "analog" and appreciating it for what it is as an original car is preferable to making it slightly "less analog" and of course less original, but improving the driving experience?
Just curious...
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So here's the question JD...with a time-warp car like this that you clearly plan on driving more than the PO...do you upgrade/replace items that would enhance further your already high satisfaction of driving it or do you keep it totally original? Thinking beyond needed items like tires for safety reasons of course. Even with only 4k on the odo, time takes its toll on things like bushings and other perishable items and new technology since the car was new make these cars even more enjoyable today. Things like control arm bushings, shocks/springs, ARBs, exhaust, etc. are popular updates on these cars, but I wonder whether keeping the car completely "analog" and appreciating it for what it is as an original car is preferable to making it slightly "less analog" and of course less original, but improving the driving experience? Just curious...
It's early days, but I think I'm likely to leave it almost entirely stock and enjoy it for what it is. I really am loving the very "analog" experience. It somehow seems important to preserve that here. Or as though I would be acting irresponsibly as a steward of this car if I messed too much with what left the factory (wear and safety items notwithstanding). Having said that, the stock halogen headlights seemed like candles compared to what I've become accustomed to - but thanks to Tore, this is such an easy and reversible mod that it required no brain cycles.
Okay, fair warning, I'm about to describe a stunning example of a first-world, 1%, car guy problem, but I'm among friends, right?
The problem with going this direction is that it leaves a gap between my 435 and my 993. I know, "poor me."
The 993 is a really nice and satisfying driving experience, but as I realized previously, something that I'll be driving at a more leisurely pace than the 997.2 that preceded it. There's nothing about this particular example that says, "take me to the track" or "let's go do a DE event." Or even, "hey, the conditions are great and the roads are empty, let's go for it on this twisty drive." And, honestly, the 435 is much more a really competent GT, so there's nothing about it that wants to do those things either.
The PO thinks I should add a Cayman S to fill this gap, and he's probably right. Or maybe a Cayman R or 997 GT3 RS. All of this once my wallet recovers from this purchase (since I'm just a working stiff from a humble background). Interestingly, I'm not very interested in a 991 to fill this gap...I'm thinking smaller and lighter and more focused. And definitely not trying to make the 993 fill this role. So, I guess there's the answer.
I can tell you that it's a fun puzzle to think about. And, like a good friend is fond of saying, "dreams are free."
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That's a really good question.
It's early days, but I think I'm likely to leave it almost entirely stock and enjoy it for what it is. I really am loving the very "analog" experience. It somehow seems important to preserve that here. Or as though I would be acting irresponsibly as a steward of this car if I messed too much with what left the factory (wear and safety items notwithstanding). Having said that, the stock halogen headlights seemed like candles compared to what I've become accustomed to - but thanks to Tore, this is such an easy and reversible mod that it required no brain cycles.
Okay, fair warning, I'm about to describe a stunning example of a first-world, 1%, car guy problem, but I'm among friends, right?
The problem with going this direction is that it leaves a gap between my 435 and my 993. I know, "poor me."
The 993 is a really nice and satisfying driving experience, but as I realized previously, something that I'll be driving at a more leisurely pace than the 997.2 that preceded it. There's nothing about this particular example that says, "take me to the track" or "let's go do a DE event." Or even, "hey, the conditions are great and the roads are empty, let's go for it on this twisty drive." And, honestly, the 435 is much more a really competent GT, so there's nothing about it that wants to do those things either.
The PO thinks I should add a Cayman S to fill this gap, and he's probably right. Or maybe a Cayman R or 997 GT3 RS. All of this once my wallet recovers from this purchase (since I'm just a working stiff from a humble background). Interestingly, I'm not very interested in a 991 to fill this gap...I'm thinking smaller and lighter and more focused. And definitely not trying to make the 993 fill this role. So, I guess there's the answer.
I can tell you that it's a fun puzzle to think about. And, like a good friend is fond of saying, "dreams are free."
It's early days, but I think I'm likely to leave it almost entirely stock and enjoy it for what it is. I really am loving the very "analog" experience. It somehow seems important to preserve that here. Or as though I would be acting irresponsibly as a steward of this car if I messed too much with what left the factory (wear and safety items notwithstanding). Having said that, the stock halogen headlights seemed like candles compared to what I've become accustomed to - but thanks to Tore, this is such an easy and reversible mod that it required no brain cycles.
Okay, fair warning, I'm about to describe a stunning example of a first-world, 1%, car guy problem, but I'm among friends, right?
The problem with going this direction is that it leaves a gap between my 435 and my 993. I know, "poor me."
The 993 is a really nice and satisfying driving experience, but as I realized previously, something that I'll be driving at a more leisurely pace than the 997.2 that preceded it. There's nothing about this particular example that says, "take me to the track" or "let's go do a DE event." Or even, "hey, the conditions are great and the roads are empty, let's go for it on this twisty drive." And, honestly, the 435 is much more a really competent GT, so there's nothing about it that wants to do those things either.
The PO thinks I should add a Cayman S to fill this gap, and he's probably right. Or maybe a Cayman R or 997 GT3 RS. All of this once my wallet recovers from this purchase (since I'm just a working stiff from a humble background). Interestingly, I'm not very interested in a 991 to fill this gap...I'm thinking smaller and lighter and more focused. And definitely not trying to make the 993 fill this role. So, I guess there's the answer.
I can tell you that it's a fun puzzle to think about. And, like a good friend is fond of saying, "dreams are free."
The 993 is like an old turntable spinning your favorite vinyl and the 435 is like the latest iPhone 6streaming your favorite tune via the iHeartRadio app. Two totally different experiences that still get you doing the fist pump regardless.
I'll offer you my .02. I think you should think about the 993 as the old turntable you upgraded to the newest, and vastly superior turntable that have become so popular these days. That is to say, keep the essence of that analog experience, but play the tune on better equipment.
If you did go the route of doing the popular upgrades to these cars (HIDs as you mentioned, good tires, new CA bushings, engine mounts, shocks/springs of your choice, perhaps ARBs of your choice), you'd be surprised at how much more capable they get. That might eliminate the need to fill the "vinyl/iPhone" gap with something else (a "CD" option...now I'm reaching). You'd also have all of the original parts safely in storage that could easily be put back on the car.
You'd spend some $$$ to improve the vinyl listening experience with the 993, but you'd save $$$ by not having to create the CD experience with a 997 and end up with a rack full of CDs that you never listen to!
Rock on!
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Yep, that's without a doubt a 1st-world problem! But I totally get where you're coming from.
The 993 is like an old turntable spinning your favorite vinyl and the 435 is like the latest iPhone 6streaming your favorite tune via the iHeartRadio app. Two totally different experiences that still get you doing the fist pump regardless.
I'll offer you my .02. I think you should think about the 993 as the old turntable you upgraded to the newest, and vastly superior turntable that have become so popular these days. That is to say, keep the essence of that analog experience, but play the tune on better equipment.
If you did go the route of doing the popular upgrades to these cars (HIDs as you mentioned, good tires, new CA bushings, engine mounts, shocks/springs of your choice, perhaps ARBs of your choice), you'd be surprised at how much more capable they get. That might eliminate the need to fill the "vinyl/iPhone" gap with something else (a "CD" option...now I'm reaching). You'd also have all of the original parts safely in storage that could easily be put back on the car.
You'd spend some $$$ to improve the vinyl listening experience with the 993, but you'd save $$$ by not having to create the CD experience with a 997 and end up with a rack full of CDs that you never listen to!
Rock on!
The 993 is like an old turntable spinning your favorite vinyl and the 435 is like the latest iPhone 6streaming your favorite tune via the iHeartRadio app. Two totally different experiences that still get you doing the fist pump regardless.
I'll offer you my .02. I think you should think about the 993 as the old turntable you upgraded to the newest, and vastly superior turntable that have become so popular these days. That is to say, keep the essence of that analog experience, but play the tune on better equipment.
If you did go the route of doing the popular upgrades to these cars (HIDs as you mentioned, good tires, new CA bushings, engine mounts, shocks/springs of your choice, perhaps ARBs of your choice), you'd be surprised at how much more capable they get. That might eliminate the need to fill the "vinyl/iPhone" gap with something else (a "CD" option...now I'm reaching). You'd also have all of the original parts safely in storage that could easily be put back on the car.
You'd spend some $$$ to improve the vinyl listening experience with the 993, but you'd save $$$ by not having to create the CD experience with a 997 and end up with a rack full of CDs that you never listen to!
Rock on!
I realize that there's a boatload that's already been written about this, but no kidding about the RS engine mounts? They really make a noticeable difference? Suspension bushings, shocks and springs make all the sense in the world to me... and 17 years is a lifetime of engineering progress... so I think I understand that these relatively minor changes add up to a big difference.
Believe me, it's all fun to ponder. And were it a 30k mile car, suspension mode would already be happening. I'll keep the community posted.
Anyway, thanks for asking and for your take.
I'm off to listen to The Dark Side on my t-1200 with the fancy Ortofon stylus.
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Thanks for taking the time; I appreciate your $.02.
I realize that there's a boatload that's already been written about this, but no kidding about the RS engine mounts? They really make a noticeable difference? Suspension bushings, shocks and springs make all the sense in the world to me... and 17 years is a lifetime of engineering progress... so I think I understand that these relatively minor changes add up to a big difference.
Believe me, it's all fun to ponder. And were it a 30k mile car, suspension mode would already be happening. I'll keep the community posted.
Anyway, thanks for asking and for your take.
I'm off to listen to The Dark Side on my t-1200 with the fancy Ortofon stylus.
I realize that there's a boatload that's already been written about this, but no kidding about the RS engine mounts? They really make a noticeable difference? Suspension bushings, shocks and springs make all the sense in the world to me... and 17 years is a lifetime of engineering progress... so I think I understand that these relatively minor changes add up to a big difference.
Believe me, it's all fun to ponder. And were it a 30k mile car, suspension mode would already be happening. I'll keep the community posted.
Anyway, thanks for asking and for your take.
I'm off to listen to The Dark Side on my t-1200 with the fancy Ortofon stylus.
#42
Thanks for taking the time; I appreciate your $.02.
I realize that there's a boatload that's already been written about this, but no kidding about the RS engine mounts? They really make a noticeable difference? Suspension bushings, shocks and springs make all the sense in the world to me... and 17 years is a lifetime of engineering progress... so I think I understand that these relatively minor changes add up to a big difference.
Believe me, it's all fun to ponder. And were it a 30k mile car, suspension mode would already be happening. I'll keep the community posted.
Anyway, thanks for asking and for your take.
I'm off to listen to The Dark Side on my t-1200 with the fancy Ortofon stylus.
I realize that there's a boatload that's already been written about this, but no kidding about the RS engine mounts? They really make a noticeable difference? Suspension bushings, shocks and springs make all the sense in the world to me... and 17 years is a lifetime of engineering progress... so I think I understand that these relatively minor changes add up to a big difference.
Believe me, it's all fun to ponder. And were it a 30k mile car, suspension mode would already be happening. I'll keep the community posted.
Anyway, thanks for asking and for your take.
I'm off to listen to The Dark Side on my t-1200 with the fancy Ortofon stylus.
#43
1st world problem
I enjoyed this thread.
Regarding your 1st world problem, it sounds to me as though you need a track rat, which means you need to replace the BMW with a Raptor and trailer. Though I imagine driving a Raptor in SF would cause many heads to explode.
Regarding your 1st world problem, it sounds to me as though you need a track rat, which means you need to replace the BMW with a Raptor and trailer. Though I imagine driving a Raptor in SF would cause many heads to explode.
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As a PostScript to the story, my friend, the original owner of my 993, recently bought a 991 GT3. Although maybe anathema to many on the 993 forum, his garage is looking pretty impressive with a white 991 Carrera S sitting alongside a white 991 GT3. May we all be so fortunate well in to our 80's! Incidentally, he reports that they're not redundant. And I can attest that they look awfully good side-by-side.