No start after rebuild
First pic is the right (power steering) cam, it has a central slot with a large bolt hole in the middle for power steering takeoff.
still a possibility if you ask me.
http://www.pcarworkshop.com/index.php/Not_quite_there
http://www.pcarworkshop.com/index.php/Cranking_it_up
http://www.pcarworkshop.com/index.php/Not_quite_there
http://www.pcarworkshop.com/index.php/Cranking_it_up
Second pic is the left cam, the slot is offset and there are three small holes which may have something to do with timing (I used the backdated method).
Seem to be having problems uploading multiple pics in one post, so had to post this separately.
Seem to be having problems uploading multiple pics in one post, so had to post this separately.
still a possibility if you ask me.
http://www.pcarworkshop.com/index.php/Not_quite_there
http://www.pcarworkshop.com/index.php/Cranking_it_up
http://www.pcarworkshop.com/index.php/Not_quite_there
http://www.pcarworkshop.com/index.php/Cranking_it_up
It was with MikeJ's tribulations in mind that I had originally asked about cam timing. OK, actually my own tribulations - after reassembly I discovered that I had timed BOTH cams 180 degrees out (clearly I am not a man for half measures, unlike MikeJ who only timed ONE side 180 out.
). I knew that when cyl 1 was at TDC the rotors should point at #1, but they were pointing at #4. Had to pull everything apart and re-time the cams (I went with the backdated version). At least the engine was still out of the car.

However, if OP is CERTAIN the cams are timed correctly it doesn't hurt to eliminate other possible causes first. Going back to check cam timing probably means an engine drop and chain cover removal, not fun.
My bet it the distributor is out 180 degrees. Here is what to do.
Be careful when Installing the distributor as you can quite easily be 1 tooth out if you try and install it with the rotor pointed at #1, You need to turn the rotor counter clockwise just slightly prior to pushing the distributor home. When you do this it will line up the #1 perfectly.
Hope this helps.
- Put engine at TDC #1.
- to verify this turn engine to Z1 on crank pulley.
- Then pull the lower valve cover on bank 1-3.
- Verify that both the Intake and Exhaust valves for #1 are closed.
- If they are not closed then the engine is at TDC #4.
- Rotate engine 360 degrees, then verify #1 valves are closed.
- Check the distributor and adjust so the rotor is pointing to #1 (Mark on distributor).
- If not remove distributor rotate to #1 and reinstall.
Be careful when Installing the distributor as you can quite easily be 1 tooth out if you try and install it with the rotor pointed at #1, You need to turn the rotor counter clockwise just slightly prior to pushing the distributor home. When you do this it will line up the #1 perfectly.
Hope this helps.
If those are ok, check out your distributor suspicions. If cylinder 1 is at TDC (can you verify with the screwdriver test, as you turn engine by hand?), dizzy rotor should point at cylinder#1. However, it appears that you have already confirmed this, so not sure what else you would check on the distributor setup:
i hate to ask, but are you CERTAIN that prior to disassembly, cylinder 1 was at TDC when you marked where the rotors pointed on the distributor case?
I have to ask because this is how I figured out that I had timed BOTH cams 180 degrees out. On reassembly rotor was pointing at 4 when cyl 1 was TDC.
JHG41977, if you have eliminated any possible issues with spark and fuel, I'd recommend a double check using Stephen's instructions above. This will verify both dizzy alignment and left side cam timing.
At the same time you may also want to check both valves on cylinder 4 to verify the right side cam is also timed correctly, ie not 180 degrees out. IIRC, #4 intake should be open, and exhaust closed.
Hate to say it, but the wheezing / catching sounds a lot like what MikeJ described in his rebuild thread when he had one side out 180 degrees. Hopefully he will see your video and can comment himself.
At the same time you may also want to check both valves on cylinder 4 to verify the right side cam is also timed correctly, ie not 180 degrees out. IIRC, #4 intake should be open, and exhaust closed.
Hate to say it, but the wheezing / catching sounds a lot like what MikeJ described in his rebuild thread when he had one side out 180 degrees. Hopefully he will see your video and can comment himself.
Edit: The gear on the bottom of the distributor has 12 teeth, so 1 tooth is 30 degrees. I doubt it would start.
Last edited by trophy; Apr 3, 2014 at 06:00 PM. Reason: New Information....
TDC happens twice in a cycle. I'd vote for making sure dizzy is at 1 on the right stroke.
I assume when you say "pulled DME", you mean the relay? If you unhooked the DME, a wire could've broken.
Cams are timed on different 360 degree rotations in the 720 degree cycle.
I assume when you say "pulled DME", you mean the relay? If you unhooked the DME, a wire could've broken.
Cams are timed on different 360 degree rotations in the 720 degree cycle.
I had to help a neighbor out, haven't finished up the car yet. I did find the cams are correct to tdc, in the correct cycle. The distributor was out by about 60 degrees. I am not sure how the hell I managed that. Almost back together.
Part of the fun of rebuilding. When I built my 3.2, I sent the injectors out for cleaning. 2 months before firing it up. I then learned that freshly cleaned injectors don't like to sit for two months.



