Price increases by dealers are beginning to...
02-18-2014, 06:52 PM
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A rising euro lifts all [porsche] prices. I think the constant exportation of all air cooled Porsches and specifically the 964/993 to Europe in the past 5 years has dramatically altered the ratio in the "supply and demand' model. That being said, it is interesting in doing a side by side comparison to the following: 1994 3.6 turbo vs 1996/7 twin turbo; RS America vs. C2S/C4S; 1992-4 964 vs. 993. Setting aside the uber rare cars like the flat nose 964's, TTS, RS, etc. it seems the prices of 964's have come very close to matching the 993's and even exceeding them in some cases. And there is no reason prices shouldn't continue to climb in the long run, with occasional dips tied to the general health of the economy.
No question on the 1994 3.6T, they are stratospheric.... $100k last year, $150k this year
02-18-2014, 07:25 PM
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I agree, I will regret it, do you ever go to PCA breakfast? You don't have to be a member
http://www.pcalosangeles.org/ai1ec_e...nstance_id=603
http://www.pcalosangeles.org/ai1ec_e...nstance_id=603
I bought my 97 C2 with 175K miles in 2012 for $19,600. At the time I was looking for a C5 Z06 as I didn't think I'd find a decent 993 for my budget. My dad saw this one on eBay and the rest is history. Idk what it's worth now but I definitely don't plan on selling it.
02-18-2014, 10:35 PM
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Why do I feel so left out!
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02-19-2014, 07:14 AM
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This is a relevant article in Car & Driver about the classic car/enthusiast market. It is written by Hagerty's Rob Sass and offers an interesting perspective. Biggest takeaway for me: "The happiest people in the hobby are the ones who buy what they like first and let the market worry about return on investment." Something to chew on...
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ash-it-feature
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ash-it-feature
AND if I ever went out and bought a nice, late model 964 Targa, it would be for the same reason.....love those older Targas.
02-20-2014, 01:47 PM
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hand built? how exciting!!! excuse me while I **** myself over the thought that hans hammered the body panels himself...oh wait...that didn't happen.
over-engineered for the better? yeah, good call on the head gaskets porsche. Nice POS trailing arms btw.
lets not talk about having to replace all the taillights as a regular maintenance item.
lets hold down the bull**** shall we?
over-engineered for the better? yeah, good call on the head gaskets porsche. Nice POS trailing arms btw.
lets not talk about having to replace all the taillights as a regular maintenance item.
lets hold down the bull**** shall we?
If we're throwing stones, the 993's clog-prone SAI port design, squeaking windsheilds and disintegrating door straps weren't exactly brilliant engineering solutions. Unlike the 964's design flaws, I haven't heard of any permanent fix for the 993's SAI issue, which can actually take a 993 off the road as it won't pass inspection.
02-20-2014, 01:52 PM
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02-20-2014, 02:03 PM
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02-20-2014, 02:29 PM
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The head gasketless design only affected '89.5 and '90 964s - not '91, '92, '93 and '94 models, and the vast majority of cars with leaking heads as a result of that design have long since been fixed.
If we're throwing stones, the 993's clog-prone SAI port design, squeaking windsheilds and disintegrating door straps weren't exactly brilliant engineering solutions. Unlike the 964's design flaws, I haven't heard of any permanent fix for the 993's SAI issue, which can actually take a 993 off the road as it won't pass inspection.
If we're throwing stones, the 993's clog-prone SAI port design, squeaking windsheilds and disintegrating door straps weren't exactly brilliant engineering solutions. Unlike the 964's design flaws, I haven't heard of any permanent fix for the 993's SAI issue, which can actually take a 993 off the road as it won't pass inspection.
The 993 is far from perfect, I'll be the first to tell you that.
Point being, all these things have issues, so its its not like the engineering on one or the other is making a difference in the value.
02-20-2014, 04:56 PM
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The head gasketless design only affected '89.5 and '90 964s - not '91, '92, '93 and '94 models, and the vast majority of cars with leaking heads as a result of that design have long since been fixed.
If we're throwing stones, the 993's clog-prone SAI port design, squeaking windsheilds and disintegrating door straps weren't exactly brilliant engineering solutions. Unlike the 964's design flaws, I haven't heard of any permanent fix for the 993's SAI issue, which can actually take a 993 off the road as it won't pass inspection.
If we're throwing stones, the 993's clog-prone SAI port design, squeaking windsheilds and disintegrating door straps weren't exactly brilliant engineering solutions. Unlike the 964's design flaws, I haven't heard of any permanent fix for the 993's SAI issue, which can actually take a 993 off the road as it won't pass inspection.
The SAI is a non-issue. If the ports clog, they can be cleared relatively easily.
02-20-2014, 05:12 PM
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One can debate endlessly the attributes of the various 911 iterations ad nauseam: this one is slower, that one has SAI issues, this one was "hand-built", etc. etc. etc. The one thing that is not open for debate about the 993 is that it is, and always will be, the last "air-cooled" iteration of the 911; and that fact will significantly influence its future values.
02-20-2014, 06:02 PM
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One can debate endlessly the attributes of the various 911 iterations ad nauseam: this one is slower, that one has SAI issues, this one was "hand-built", etc. etc. etc. The one thing that is not open for debate about the 993 is that it is, and always will be, the last "air-cooled" iteration of the 911; and that fact will significantly influence its future values.
02-20-2014, 06:28 PM
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Well, you could also argue that the 964s were the last of the hand-built ones, or that they have the true 911 look, etc. It's a moot point they are both good cars and at the end it comes down to a personal choice.
After owning 2 of each if I had to choose one it would be the 993 however. No question.
Oh wait, it would be my 997TT
After owning 2 of each if I had to choose one it would be the 993 however. No question.
Oh wait, it would be my 997TT
02-20-2014, 06:34 PM
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