pp000830

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Achilles ATR Sport 265/35R18XL 97W BSW
Price each $ 83.20
Subtotal 2 $ 166.40
Shipping and Handling to Virginia $ 36.48
Order Total $ 202.88

Not much to add to this all 4 tires would probably be under $400.

Nuff said!

Andy

pirahna

I have never heard of Achilles tires before. Are they any good?

kjr914

Yes, because the cheapest tires you can find on an expensive car is exactly what you should do....

From: http://www.1010tires.com/Tires/Revie...lles/ATR+Sport

Cactus

Keith your car is AWD....dew eet!

NP993

I prefer the Patroclus line of tires.

race911

I'm not sure they are M+S rated. From what I recall, this in an Indonesian tire that is using old Pirelli and/or Continental tech. (But I could be completely wrong.) And they are/were doing something on the drifting scene.

I'd be more concerned that the OP just bought two rears only, to match with who-knows-what brand/age up front?

Well, if you're gonna go drive in the nasty stuff get proper winter tires. Makes a world of difference.

kjr914

WaaaaHaHaaaaaaa!!!
In your area, a buggy wheel lift kit would be the best idea! I'm pseudo-2wd now so no muddin' for me... Pseudo-2wd = it stopped working and I haven't fixed it yet. Actually I'll be ripping it out sometime in the future and dropping some pounds.

I just cut/pasted from the website, so I didn't double check the info...

nile13

Wow. Time for RWB to complete the functional part of the equation.

hkspwrsche

Ha! That's pretty good.

pp000830

I use these tire all around on my 993 for street driving. Like them a lot. Nicest feature is since the back tires last half as long as the front tires on the typical 993 I can replace the rears only with fresh ones half way through the front tires life and not break the bank. Tires are made on a large scale and the process is very capital intensive. This and the fact that tire technology is well understood suggests that tire choices should be based on your preference for grip vs service life and what speed rating meets your needs, not the marketing geschichte of the retail tire industry.
Andy

RocketJohn

How many miles are you getting on these non-Michelin tires?

pp000830

This is just a guess as I have not run the first set out.
Assuming that the back tires are rotated to balance the inner tire wear on my car the backs would go 10k to 15k. This is purely a guesstimate as I have not gotten there yet and I believe my car's alignment is a little harder than most 993 on rear tires. I would expect the fronts to last 20k to 30K. The tires are speed rated at W, are all season and have a very hi wear rating (UTQG) 400-AA-A .
My experience is that wear on a person's personal car is somewhat subjective as it is profoundly affected by alignment and how one uses the car. My experience is that a UTQG rating is the best way to directly compare expected service life for example a "400" rated tire should last approximately twice as long as a "200" tire.
Andy

nile13

Uh, now the speed rating mention. And UTQG rating too, no less. Obvious great understanding of what the tires do and why.

Andy, you are, of course, free to spend your money any way you wish. But if you care to listen to some advice from people who are familiar with tires, get something better.

Jeff96-993

Andy can only being selling tires... he's not a buyer, at least not a very responsible one. He'd be more discriminating if he was footing the bill, I'd think.

pp000830

Nope, don't sell tires, on my third Porsche, have run several of the major brands over the years.
Have spent a part of my career in the automotive manufacturing industry - brakes & wheel end.
Have come to understand that most of what is told to the public is misdirection.
Clearly tire manufacturing is highly regulated and if there were any statically relevance safety issues with any brand of on-the -road tire sold into the US market our federal regulators would be all over it and in the news.

Can anyone give me a solid reason based in fact as to why someone should not buy a non-national brand?

What are the specific specifications that a tire must meet in testing to be Porsche approved? And are these metrics relevant to street driven cars under uncontrolled driving conditions or is it simply a form of co-branding where the OE may get some sort of value such as cost based pricing for tires on their newly manufactured vehicles. Automotive tier one Vendors commonly give their consumable products away to the OE in the hope that their product being specified as "standard equipment" gets increased sales pull-through in the aftermarket where the margins are very high. This is common practice because it works!
Andy