OT: Must see! June 2013 issue of Road & Track
05-29-2013, 08:55 PM
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Hobbies can be a huge part of one's identity, much like one's occupation. That does not mean that the hobbies are really more important than people. But, take away your toys, are you the same guy? Gearheads love their cars, and it is not unusual to hear one express his passion in the same way as the writer. Of course, you are way too cool to ever do that. These cars are just a simple distraction for you, I guess. But then, that begs the question, why do you spend so much tome posting here?
05-29-2013, 09:09 PM
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That's Jack Baruth, who writes for Thetruthaboutcars.com and a few other places. He did a review of his 993 there some time ago. I think, I posted it here back then. My 1995 Carrera
Baruth also wrote a series on what he considers Porsche's deadly sins that is worthwhile to read.
Baruth also wrote a series on what he considers Porsche's deadly sins that is worthwhile to read.
And later: "On dry roads, it’s possible to exit a turn in second gear, floor the throttle, and drift the exit for hundreds of feet sideways, bouncing off the limiter. When you’re ready to straighten out, take your hands off the wheel, let it self-center, modulate the throttle, find the rear grip, shift to third, take the wheel again. Great fun. I’ve done it dozens of times."
Stay away from this man's advise and stay as far away from him on the road as you possibly can. If he was my student at an autocross course I'd use a tire iron to make sure he doesn't do this, ever.
This, of course, is followed by: "The last time I did it, it was raining, the road had too much standing water, there wasn’t enough road friction to center the steering wheel, and when I relaxed the throttle I abruptly exited the road surface to stage right, bouncing up a curb and past a telephone pole at sixty-three miles per hour.". Well, duh! think this man's middle name is Archie, no?
Stay away from this man's advise and stay as far away from him on the road as you possibly can. If he was my student at an autocross course I'd use a tire iron to make sure he doesn't do this, ever.
This, of course, is followed by: "The last time I did it, it was raining, the road had too much standing water, there wasn’t enough road friction to center the steering wheel, and when I relaxed the throttle I abruptly exited the road surface to stage right, bouncing up a curb and past a telephone pole at sixty-three miles per hour.". Well, duh! think this man's middle name is Archie, no?
05-29-2013, 09:15 PM
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05-29-2013, 09:26 PM
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And later: "On dry roads, it’s possible to exit a turn in second gear, floor the throttle, and drift the exit for hundreds of feet sideways, bouncing off the limiter. When you’re ready to straighten out, take your hands off the wheel, let it self-center, modulate the throttle, find the rear grip, shift to third, take the wheel again. Great fun. I’ve done it dozens of times."
Stay away from this man's advise and stay as far away from him on the road as you possibly can. If he was my student at an autocross course I'd use a tire iron to make sure he doesn't do this, ever.
This, of course, is followed by: "The last time I did it, it was raining, the road had too much standing water, there wasn’t enough road friction to center the steering wheel, and when I relaxed the throttle I abruptly exited the road surface to stage right, bouncing up a curb and past a telephone pole at sixty-three miles per hour.". Well, duh! think this man's middle name is Archie, no?
Stay away from this man's advise and stay as far away from him on the road as you possibly can. If he was my student at an autocross course I'd use a tire iron to make sure he doesn't do this, ever.
This, of course, is followed by: "The last time I did it, it was raining, the road had too much standing water, there wasn’t enough road friction to center the steering wheel, and when I relaxed the throttle I abruptly exited the road surface to stage right, bouncing up a curb and past a telephone pole at sixty-three miles per hour.". Well, duh! think this man's middle name is Archie, no?
The guy has an interesting writing style that is quite enjoyable, however based on the article and some posts he has made after the fact (hitting railings, sending fellow racers away in an ambulance, his Phaeton incident where he nearly collected a flagging station) The guy is a danger to him self and any others around him.
Additionally the only way to make a 993 'drift the exit for hundreds of feet sideways' is to have completely bald tires that are over inflated. I call bull$hit on that one.....
05-29-2013, 09:33 PM
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That also doesn't consider the guy took a 3.5 year old kid for a ride around a race track "dicing with a black boxster" What did the kid have for a helmet?
This guy is an idiot of the greatest level, he should be carted away by the police for willfull endangerment.
This guy is an idiot of the greatest level, he should be carted away by the police for willfull endangerment.
05-29-2013, 09:35 PM
#22
Drifting
Again, I'm just curious - either you omitted this from your response or I just overlooked it - do you hold any professional racing driver licenses?
Nota Bene: Nile13, if you click on this link and read the contents (and/or investigate parts II - IV of the series) you may have a heart attack and die, so proceed with caution. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...eed-explained/
05-29-2013, 09:41 PM
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The point is that it doesn't matter one whit if Mike does or does not possess a professional or amateur racing license. If you have hit curbs, guardrails and the like on a regular basis, you're fair game to be criticized. By anyone.
05-29-2013, 09:46 PM
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Yes, I did. In fact, as I implied in my previous post, I've read most of Jack's writing, so I'm aware that these worrisome quotations on which you've shed light for us are probably slightly hyperbolic.
Again, I'm just curious - either you omitted this from your response or I just overlooked it - do you hold any professional racing driver licenses?
Nota Bene: Nile13, if you click on this link and read the contents (and/or investigate parts II - IV of the series) you may have a heart attack and die, so proceed with caution. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...eed-explained/
Again, I'm just curious - either you omitted this from your response or I just overlooked it - do you hold any professional racing driver licenses?
Nota Bene: Nile13, if you click on this link and read the contents (and/or investigate parts II - IV of the series) you may have a heart attack and die, so proceed with caution. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...eed-explained/
I'm with Mike, Steven, etc. on kinda going "huh" when I read the R&T column. (Had no knowledge of him other than that, except for now what's been posted here.)
While hyperbole has a place in most automotive writing, understand that nearly everyone in the audience has not progressed beyond the pony trot level on the scale of limits. My feeling over the past 30+ years is to not plainly misrepresent the proper techniques required.
05-29-2013, 09:48 PM
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Guest89, I've already answered your question. But, for your benefit, I'll say this - I'm in my 14th season of autocrossing and about 8th year of instructing with about 250 events under my belt. So when I see the picture of white car between cones in, shall we say, compromised position and read Jack's description of letting steering wheel go to bring the car out of a slide, I can make a pretty good conclusion. They do not issue us, parking lot hacks, real licenses, professional or otherwise. But I can honestly tell you that I've gotten into autocrossing in the first place precisely because I was driving just as Jack is describing. With very similar results.
Now, mind you, I'm sure that he's just being cute and not really writing what he means, rather pandering to pimply teenagers reading about cool cars. But, God forbid, the aforementioned pimply teenagers take his advice and let go of a steering wheel while doing the cool drifting around the corner in your nice neighborhood... are you personally willing to defend him then?
Now, mind you, I'm sure that he's just being cute and not really writing what he means, rather pandering to pimply teenagers reading about cool cars. But, God forbid, the aforementioned pimply teenagers take his advice and let go of a steering wheel while doing the cool drifting around the corner in your nice neighborhood... are you personally willing to defend him then?
05-29-2013, 10:03 PM
#27
Drifting
Guest89, I've already answered your question. But, for your benefit, I'll say this - I'm in my 14th season of autocrossing and about 8th year of instructing with about 250 events under my belt. So when I see the picture of white car between cones in, shall we say, compromised position and read Jack's description of letting steering wheel go to bring the car out of a slide, I can make a pretty good conclusion. They do not issue us, parking lot hacks, real licenses, professional or otherwise. But I can honestly tell you that I've gotten into autocrossing in the first place precisely because I was driving just as Jack is describing. With very similar results.
Now, mind you, I'm sure that he's just being cute and not really writing what he means, rather pandering to pimply teenagers reading about cool cars. But, God forbid, the aforementioned pimply teenagers take his advice and let go of a steering wheel while doing the cool drifting around the corner in your nice neighborhood... are you personally willing to defend him then?
Now, mind you, I'm sure that he's just being cute and not really writing what he means, rather pandering to pimply teenagers reading about cool cars. But, God forbid, the aforementioned pimply teenagers take his advice and let go of a steering wheel while doing the cool drifting around the corner in your nice neighborhood... are you personally willing to defend him then?
Not many pimply teenagers driving (or interested in) air-cooled 911s; this board skews toward a very old crowd, as do the sites he writes for and R&T which, sadly, may be at risk of extinction.
05-29-2013, 11:00 PM
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I am sure that some older people absolutely crave admiration of pimply teenagers. Don't worry, writing drivel for money is socially excusable. Writing it "for fun" is a bit scary.
PS. On truly rare occasions that I watch TopGear I cringe. Not because the way they drive. But because the way they truly have no respect for cars, any cars.
PS. On truly rare occasions that I watch TopGear I cringe. Not because the way they drive. But because the way they truly have no respect for cars, any cars.
05-29-2013, 11:47 PM
#30
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Yes, I did. In fact, as I implied in my previous post, I've read most of Jack's writing, so I'm aware that these worrisome quotations on which you've shed light for us are probably slightly hyperbolic.
Again, I'm just curious - either you omitted this from your response or I just overlooked it - do you hold any professional racing driver licenses?
Nota Bene: Nile13, if you click on this link and read the contents (and/or investigate parts II - IV of the series) you may have a heart attack and die, so proceed with caution. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...eed-explained/
Again, I'm just curious - either you omitted this from your response or I just overlooked it - do you hold any professional racing driver licenses?
Nota Bene: Nile13, if you click on this link and read the contents (and/or investigate parts II - IV of the series) you may have a heart attack and die, so proceed with caution. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...eed-explained/
You are ignoring the issue...such a yahoo...anyone who advises lifting the throttle mid turn in a 911 should have there fingernails pulled