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stickypatch 11-16-2012 12:41 AM

Steering - slight "groan" at full lock and low speed sometimes
 
Should I be concerned? I've had the car for almost a couple of months now and it's still under the limited used car warranty. Is this slight groan (which I'm not certain I can actually hear or whether I'm actually feeling it through the steering wheel) indicative of a power steering problem of any kind? I hear/feel it in places like car parks. It's intermittent too.

CamsPorsche 11-16-2012 12:43 AM

I just had something similar and it turned out to be the suspension camber bolts were loose. All tightened up and there's no more groan on cornering or during parking.

One other thing to look at is a wheel bearing going...

stickypatch 11-16-2012 01:23 AM

Thanks for replying so quickly :cheers:


Originally Posted by CamsPorsche (Post 10002720)
I just had something similar and it turned out to be the suspension camber bolts were loose. All tightened up and there's no more groan on cornering or during parking.

That's interesting - I had a wheel alignment done a few weeks ago. Are the camber bolts at the top of the shock absorber - ie: accessed by opening the bonnet (or "frunk"....)? Or are they part of the assembly by the wheel?


One other thing to look at is a wheel bearing going...
How do I check this?

Stewart 11-16-2012 04:33 AM

Check that you have sufficient power steering fluid. Once that gets low (or empty) you can get bubbles in the system, the pump then cavitates and you hear the groan and feel the vibration through the steering wheel. If it is lack of fluid, top up with the correct stuff (pentosin) and keep an eye on it - generally it shouldn't disappear unless you've got a leak. A leak could be steering rack, pump or split pipes.

TMc993 11-16-2012 09:18 AM

+1 on the power steering fluid. Check that first.

IXLR8 11-16-2012 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by stickypatch (Post 10002719)
I hear/feel it in places like car parks.

And you said at full lock. How many miles on your 993? PS fluid at the correct level?

Do you have a AWD 993 with possible worn CV joints out front? Is the "groan" more noticeable when coming down car park ramps onto the flats at full lock?

Mark in Baltimore 11-16-2012 11:30 AM

It's never a good idea to crank the wheel to full lock; it's supposed to be tough on the power steering pump. Instead, it's best to know where full lock is and then make sure that you don't hit the steering stop.

jenskleis 11-16-2012 06:28 PM

I had persistent groaning when turning and going down-hill/up-hill at the same time, typically when entering or exiting an underground parking.

It turned out to be the front sway bar bushings that needed greasing. Easy and cheap to fix.

pkrasusky 11-16-2012 08:47 PM

'where' do you hear it from?

meaning

out @ a corner / pump area / rack / other?

funny... I posted exactly the same question a coupla weeks back... 100 views, 0 replies. You garnered 7 in a few hours:

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...heel-rest.html

I let it go at the time but now wonder... what gives??? 8-)... Bueller?

Like you said, intermittent and don't exactly feel it thru the steering wheel like I would from a typical pump or rack issue I've experienced in the past.

We had a Nor'easter here and then I've been travelling since I posted that so I unfortunately haven't had time to get the 'bish up on stands to try to discern it for mesself, but had hoped for some insight from youses har - surprised @ the crickets 8-/...

stickypatch 11-17-2012 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by pkrasusky:10004720
'where' do you hear it from?

meaning

out @ a corner / pump area / rack / other?

funny... I posted exactly the same question a coupla weeks back... 100 views, 0 replies. You garnered 7 in a few hours:

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...heel-rest.html

I let it go at the time but now wonder... what gives??? 8-)... Bueller?

Like you said, intermittent and don't exactly feel it thru the steering wheel like I would from a typical pump or rack issue I've experienced in the past.

We had a Nor'easter here and then I've been travelling since I posted that so I unfortunately haven't had time to get the 'bish up on stands to try to discern it for mesself, but had hoped for some insight from youses har - surprised @ the crickets 8-/...

It hear it out at the corner by the wheel (driver's side on my RHD car).

Mark in Baltimore 11-17-2012 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by pkrasusky (Post 10004720)
'where' do you hear it from?

meaning

out @ a corner / pump area / rack / other?

funny... I posted exactly the same question a coupla weeks back... 100 views, 0 replies. You garnered 7 in a few hours:

https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...heel-rest.html

I let it go at the time but now wonder... what gives??? 8-)... Bueller?

Like you said, intermittent and don't exactly feel it thru the steering wheel like I would from a typical pump or rack issue I've experienced in the past.

We had a Nor'easter here and then I've been travelling since I posted that so I unfortunately haven't had time to get the 'bish up on stands to try to discern it for mesself, but had hoped for some insight from youses har - surprised @ the crickets 8-/...

No real data to support this claim, but I think Fridays and Saturdays are the worst time to start new threads since people are busy with kids and other activities that pull them away from the computer. The page count probably shows that lots of folks are viewing the thread on smart phones but don't have the time or patience to answer.

gtroth 11-17-2012 11:59 PM

Groan was low PS fluid for me.

Cactus 11-18-2012 12:23 AM

Had the same issue on my R32. Power steering fluid was below the low mark.

pkrasusky 11-18-2012 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore (Post 10006264)
No real data to support this claim, but I think Fridays and Saturdays are the worst time to start new threads since people are busy with kids and other activities that pull them away from the computer. The page count probably shows that lots of folks are viewing the thread on smart phones but don't have the time or patience to answer.

thanks for that insight Mark, appreciate it

stickypatch 11-18-2012 03:40 PM

I checked my power steering fluid level - while the car was idling as per the manual. The level was at the high mark on the wee dipstick.


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