kandutery

hi people.


what do you think about clubsport model of moton shocks for 993 Porsche? clubsport model i think itīs for half street use and half track. More confortable

i want information in the forum and google but i canīt find opinions



thanks

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Hi,

The Clubsports were designed as a lower cost option & intended for track & competition, however they can be made fairly streetable with the correct spring configuration and shock settings. Due to the shock's length, one needs to either install the RS/EVO front uprights and tie-rods or have them made with different droop limiters so you can get them above RS ride height.

I'd also recommend looking into Motion Control Suspension, too.

kandutery

Hi Steve, i aprecciate a lot your answer


lower cost? wow... only 5000 the clubsport model dollars heheh


i buyed the RS/EVO front uprights kit with rs tie rods from Carnewall, and i have installed KW clubsport in my 993, but i think maybe itīs a interessant option, sell the kwīand buy the Moton clubsport...



thanks steve

KaiB

Go MCS rather than Moton.

V

What about Öhlins?

I've heard great things about MCS too

kandutery

i send a emial to öhlins europe and they told me not build suspensions for 993, only for 997 model.

Mark in Baltimore

I have had the Moton clubsports for over six years now. They are awesome performing, dirt reliable and no-excuses-for-your-driving (well, except that maybe they have too much variability with compression, rebound and spring rates, but that's another story) shocks that have held their pressures very well. Although the adjustability is less discrete (same overall range, though) than the motorsport shocks, you will probably find them to be more than enough to play with to find the sweet spots for each track your run. As Steve says, they are track/race-oriented dampers that are quite compliant for the street.

I've heard good things about MCS, but Motons have been proven over the long haul. MCS is run by ex-Moton and ex-JRZ guru Lex Carson, so that's a plus for MCS.

kandutery

sounds interessant

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Moton was sold to AST early this year so its a different company now.

MCS was founded by Jerome Van Gool, the former owner/chief engineer of Moton, and the "J" of JRZ. He's a fellow with a LOT of Porsche (and some others) suspension experience. Lex Carson, formerly of Moton and JRZ runs the MCS US operation and is not only a VERY sharp individual, but mainly responsible for the stellar reputation that Moton enjoyed in the marketplace.

IMHO, nobody ever did product support any better and they really set the 24 kt standard at Moton, now doing the very same things at MCS.

At this juncture, I'd strongly recommend giving MCS products a close look since they made some nice upgrades with the new product line.

Ohlin's are excellent products, however their valving range is much narrower (like Penske) and require extensive rebuilding/revalving to get them dialed in. Most of the others can be optimized using the adjusters and tweaking gas pressures.

Viperbob1

When the whole Moton to AST thing happened and MCS was not really in biz yet I desperately needed a set of race shocks. Penske was at an event so since a shock broke we bought a set. They have been less than impressive. I have a lot of Moton experience on my out 993tt and LOTS of customer cars. The Penske I had to send back half a dozen times for one thing or another just to work initially (similar to 993s you do NOT want the rear shock to rotate so took 2 attempts to cnc new spacers). Pretty stupid difficult to adjust and deal with. Ohlins are just a tough company. I miss Lex at Moton (he told me WAY back when I bought the first 993 Motons from them. Sounded good). Since I have heard NOTHING from AST in the post Moton merger I would certainly be and will give Lex a call @MCS when I need a new set for a customer.

pipingken1

I'm UK based and going down a similar route, RL is the best source of info for 993 upgrades.

I have contacted Moton and they have a UK agent but he sells many other products and I have asked if he could let me contact other 993 owners he has installed without luck.

I've also contacted MCS who have an agent in Paris and await a reply.

I am still trying to source some Bilstein RSRs and if that fails I would probably fit the KW CS because the Ninemeister 993 runs those and gets great times on UK circuits.

I have KW V3 on my 968 and they are very good although a little difficult to adjust especially on the rears.

Why do you not like KW?

Bill Verburg

Bilstein RSR and Cup shocks are a great starting point but they will need to be revalved w/ a digressive piston and set up for the springs you are using, back when these were first used was the dark ages of shock technology, they were both setup w/ linear or slightly progressive valves, this valving is not what you want to use.

here's the original RSR shock plot, as you can see slightly progressive to linear, very harsh and very old school. The Cup shock was not user adjustable and was just one of those curves







current thinking can be seen in the 997RSR digressive shocks, Moton, MSC et al are inline w/ this thinking

pipingken1

Hi Bill

Thanks for the info and graphs, much appreciated.

I received a very long and interesting email from Jerome Van Gool at MCS who outlined some plans to open a franchise with a very well known Porsche suspension specialist in the UK. If that happened it would certainly remove one worry I have about after sale issues (rebuilds etc) down the line.

Ken

kandutery

i love Kw clubsport, but i suppose Moton are better haha.


I think my next option was MCS in future.


thanks

jaholmes

Steve, is this the case with all of the short length shocks, you need RS front uprights to get above RS ride height.

Jim