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Old 10-23-2012, 05:03 PM
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Thanks for the replies so far.

As a bit of background, it'll be a third car so mileage isn't high. If it does see a track it'll be rare and sedate driving!

So mostly just fun in the sun driving.

I live in London, UK so although we do have bad weather I suspect I'll be getting the landrover out and not the 993.
Old 10-23-2012, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ReinerFink
Buy a 4 so you can get the 4-channel ABS. Then convert to 2WD because you don't want the weight.
Good piont, the 3 channel ABS brake system as fitted on the 2wd cars OR the 4 channel ABS as fitted standard on the 4wd chassis.

My 2wd coupe was optioned with the 4 channel ABS system, an extra cost option in the $1,200 USD range IIRC.... Start with 2wd production as usual using the standard brake components; 25mm master cylinder, rotors/calipers, etc.,,, only with the 4 channel ABS pump and brake line plumbing, etc. IIRC some MY98 C2S production included ADB option as a No cost option, and there was "trunk money" or 2% $$ rebates to the USA dealerships.

All that said, if I had to do the 993 coupe order over again it would include the C4S option. For my money the C4S feels more planted during sportif street use. EDIT: ,,Nope I'd order the 2wd over again. "great taste, nope less filling"... 993 there is no substitute.

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Old 10-23-2012, 08:26 PM
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Small point here, to be sure, but since folks brought up the RWD vs AWD ABS: think about that time when you're bleeding the brakes and you accidentally suck air into the reservoir. Now folks correct me on this, but with the AWD once air is in the system, is it not nearly impossible (if not thoroughly impossible) to get the system completely purged of air by doing subsequent bleeds? And thus, do you not need to employ the "Hammer" (and its significant cost) to get her back to normal?

Again, I am not oppsed to AWD since the system employed in the 993s is clearly one of the better ones out there. But I will stand by my original post: AWD adds cost and weight. If you feel it's worth it, fine. But whatever benefits you "may" derive, it will cost you. Moreover, since the OP already mentioned the Rover for inclement weather (totally reasonable if not expected, IMHO), then in my mind, the answer is obvious.

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Originally Posted by Edward
Again, I am not oppsed to AWD since the system employed in the 993s is clearly one of the better ones out there. But I will stand by my original post: AWD adds cost and weight. If you feel it's worth it, fine. But whatever benefits you "may" derive, it will cost you. Moreover, since the OP already mentioned the Rover for inclement weather (totally reasonable if not expected, IMHO), then in my mind, the answer is obvious.

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Valid points here.

And an equally valid counterpoint for AWD for him would be when the Rover breaks down, he has another car that can handle the chronic wet weather in the UK. Further, the extra 100lbs. of weight of the AWD system hardly matters in a car that sees only street duty, and the reliability of the AWD is also a non-issue, as the AWD in the 993 is not complex system and rarely, if ever, needs attention.

So, in my mind, the choice is obvious for a street-only car in a very rainy climate: AWD.
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AWD 993s are heavy, understeering, complicated and expensive pigs. Avoid them unless you drive in snow.
Old 10-23-2012, 09:06 PM
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C2s with limited slip and ABD have 4 channel ABS.

I prefer the simplicity of RWD, but might change my mind if I lived somewhere with lots of rain and snow, and regularly drove in that environment.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
What time is your stand up routine, cause this **** is funny...
i know, i know....
It is just i am so impressed with the 4wd system on the 993 since i bought it two years ago. At first i thought i would rather 2wd and would be disappointed but now i wouldnt want the car without it. It is like a rabbit with sneakers.

that being said, im interested in a 993 2wd tiptronic for a daily driving based on wanting something for stop and go traffic in automatic form.

Any 993 is great fun and i would take either or but i am now partial to the C4...
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Originally Posted by car
C2s with limited slip and ABD have 4 channel ABS.
I think all 993's with ABD (option 224) have the 4 channel ABS.

As for 2 vs 4, I'm undecided for now.
Old 10-24-2012, 01:17 AM
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All 993 cars are great. You can't go wrong. I find the AWD system quite unintrusive as it takes time "kick-in" giving the car a nice RWD feel. I recall reading that the 993 4 was could not be spun. This is not true as I have spun my 4S twice at the track.
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I bought a 95 MY 993 Carrera (2) cab in London and was utterly smitten by it so after moving to the States it became a must to reacquire one - when I did in 2007 all the options were available to me including the Turbo
I opted for a MY 98 Carrera 4 cab with ABD as it was IMHO the one that encompassed technologically and aesthetically everything the 993 stood for
It proved to be a good decision and the move from the standard version of the car to this was definitely an upgrade
If I had to put it in one sentence the C4 is the more complete car regardless
This community is by far the most knowledgeable and fanatical group of any in the car world that I have belonged to previously and that speaks volumes for any and all variants of the car
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Timely info. Thanks for posting.
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Originally Posted by SOS
AWD 964s are heavy, understeering, complicated and expensive pigs. Avoid them unless you drive in snow.
There, fixed it for you!
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Originally Posted by Edward
....EDIT/DELETE.... think about that time when you're bleeding the brakes and you accidentally suck air into the reservoir. Now folks correct me on this, but with the AWD once air is in the system, is it not nearly impossible (if not thoroughly impossible) to get the system completely purged of air by doing subsequent bleeds? And thus, do you not need to employ the "Hammer" (and its significant cost) to get her back to normal?
+1 So true. Use of the "Hammer" was essential when clearing the white waxy film buildup in the 4 ch. ABS pump in my car recently. The local independent shop didn't have a Hammer so in the heat of the moment it was off to the P-car dealership. Atlanta being a larger market I've since identified several indy's whom own the historic "Hammer".
The “Hammer” isn’t an archeological dig…but Edward I get your point; well taken.

I dunno, ya can't go wrong with any version 993,,,, sans the automatic gearbox version. Who's idea was that? Ms. Whynestein?
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3rd car in London? Keep it simple, light and fun... Carrera 2 is your answer...
Old 10-24-2012, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ReinerFink
Buy a 4 so you can get the 4-channel ABS. Then convert to 2WD because you don't want the weight.

This will get you closer to a RS than trying to muck with the brakes on a C2. ;-)

-reiner
The brakes, specifically the m/c and electro-hyd boost setup are the reason that the RS was built on a C4 tub.


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