Bruce Anderson's Values in Excellence magazine- What a joke!
03-29-2012, 02:49 PM
#31
Rennlist Member
I love my car. Like others here, I consider myself a 993 enthusiast. What percentage of 993 owners do we represent?
It may be possible his values are a combination of enthusiasts and "normal" owners. I have heard of a few mint 993's being sold for a steal, mad to miss them!
It may be possible his values are a combination of enthusiasts and "normal" owners. I have heard of a few mint 993's being sold for a steal, mad to miss them!
03-29-2012, 02:52 PM
#33
Rennlist Member
BRUCE: Here's an idea. Beyond your data you collect for the other article on recent sales in the magazine, how about reaching out to Rennlisters to see if they would be willing to share and help you clean up your data. We buy and sell cars all the time and at a minimum you get two things:
1. Far better realtionship with this important Porsche AND READER community, and
2. Far better and more valid freakin' info for the mag.
Wouldn't take much--seems as if we're ready. What say you??
1. Far better realtionship with this important Porsche AND READER community, and
2. Far better and more valid freakin' info for the mag.
Wouldn't take much--seems as if we're ready. What say you??
It would indeed be another good input, but it would be an input for all the reasons discussed above. Still...
pete
03-29-2012, 02:55 PM
#34
Rennlist Member
This idiocy by Bruce Anderson regarding 993s has been going on for a long time. Here's a thread from 5 years ago:
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...-anderson.html
At the time, he said a '98 C2S EC was worth $35k when the average list price on Autotrader was $57k.
It's amazing that Excellence continues to publish such stupidity, especially since it's so financially damaging to Porsche owners.
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...-anderson.html
At the time, he said a '98 C2S EC was worth $35k when the average list price on Autotrader was $57k.
It's amazing that Excellence continues to publish such stupidity, especially since it's so financially damaging to Porsche owners.
pete
03-29-2012, 04:07 PM
#38
Drifting
It's great to hear you guys are willing to change with the times. The internet has completely changed the automotive marketplace, and it doesn't seem necessary to have the value guide in the book. Rather than spend the time, effort, and frustration modifying and defending it, I like your choice to head in a different direction.
It's a great magazine... about time for me to get my subscription going again after it lapsed several years ago. I've been moving at least once/yr the past 6-7 years, so I've tried to avoid subscribing to periodicals. I probably spend more money buying it at B&N than I would subscribing. Keep up the good work.
It's a great magazine... about time for me to get my subscription going again after it lapsed several years ago. I've been moving at least once/yr the past 6-7 years, so I've tried to avoid subscribing to periodicals. I probably spend more money buying it at B&N than I would subscribing. Keep up the good work.
03-29-2012, 05:02 PM
#39
Burning Brakes
Excellent response Pete.
And the 200th issue was incredible, keep up the good work.
People tell me I have issues, I tell them "yes I probably have that issue". This was last year while rearranging in my basement, the shrine has grown quite a bit since then.
And the 200th issue was incredible, keep up the good work.
People tell me I have issues, I tell them "yes I probably have that issue". This was last year while rearranging in my basement, the shrine has grown quite a bit since then.
03-29-2012, 06:19 PM
#41
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Pete,
Your willing to step into the fray of 993 valuation shows that you are trying to make it right.
Thanks for that.
I understand that valuation is a moving target but there needs to be more reality, weather it is reader reports or auction results. When SCM valuations, differ from Bruce's values the process needs to be revamped. I feel that a Marque Magazine should be a better source of information rather than a group who traditionally has downplayed the collectability of Porsches. As the Marketplace shows Porsches are collectable. Just ask anyone who is shopping for a 993.
One thing I have learned about Rennlist, they can and do help with Porsche issues and advice. And they are spot on.
I cannot wait for the improved results.
Your willing to step into the fray of 993 valuation shows that you are trying to make it right.
Thanks for that.
I understand that valuation is a moving target but there needs to be more reality, weather it is reader reports or auction results. When SCM valuations, differ from Bruce's values the process needs to be revamped. I feel that a Marque Magazine should be a better source of information rather than a group who traditionally has downplayed the collectability of Porsches. As the Marketplace shows Porsches are collectable. Just ask anyone who is shopping for a 993.
One thing I have learned about Rennlist, they can and do help with Porsche issues and advice. And they are spot on.
I cannot wait for the improved results.
03-29-2012, 09:21 PM
#43
Rennlist Member
And it's precisely these kind of inflammatory remarks (bold mine) that don't help — even if I understand the reason/frustration behind them. And I've seen far worse. When we get into insults or insulting language, we lose the opportunity to grow from well-intentioned and intelligent criticism.
pete
pete
And yup, 1998 C2S five years ago for $35k is stupidity, plain and simple. It's a bad mark on an otherwise great magazine. The price listings are actually interesting, and I suspect the vast majority of us would rather you fixed the numbers instead of eliminating the column. Just my 2c.
p.s. "2c" means "two cents" since you obviously don't understand the internet.
