Spidey 993

Have to ask because I can't seem to find a good description of what a SuperCup 993 car is? Is it a Cup car? How does it fit into the lineage in terms of GT2, RS...

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ferrerid=97793

Evidently a SuperCup isn't as desirable on the 993 food chain of race cars since this one hasn't been snagged up at $90k. So makes me wonder why, or why not?

Cheers,
Tony

Bill Verburg

Yes, the 993Cup was raced in what was called the Supercup Series

a 993Cup is the n/b race version of an RSR, they share many of the same pieces, but the Cup is slightly detuned as per the regs of the series

Cups also share many of the parts and attributes of the RS/CS

so where does it fit
pure race wide body were GT2 and RSR
Cup is a slightly detuned RSR
RS/CS is a street version further detuned and somewhat softened
RS was the street touring version

Here's a summary

Spidey 993

Thanks Bill, I haven't seen the lineage explained like that and nice visual.

I'm a bit surprised then why the SuperCup doesn't get the fan base. This guy is selling his and it doesn't seem to be a strong interest. I would assume there would be more.

Bill Verburg

Not many were built and they are very expensive, the 996/997 GT3 Cups stole the thunder and are much better performers at a lower cost

camlob

Thanks Bill for posting that data sheet.

Does the supercup come with the ITBs like the RSR? I noticed the transmissions are very different from supercup to RSR.

I also noticed the front track of the RSR is much wider. Maybe I should put spacers and do some fender rolling. Do you think that will improve turn-in etc?

JPP

I would think that part of that market and value problem is due to the fact that a majority of the enthusiasts that would buy something like that in this country want a street-driveable version and this car is strictly a track/race car in 'street' clothing and it would be incredibly expensive (and a moot exercise IMHO) to 'de-tune' and federalize it to some streetable state ... probably much more than to just import and federalize an RS or an RSCS. It would be the ultimate 'drivers-ed' track toy though .. and the color is yummy

jdistefa

You cannot simply put spacers on (well... you can), it will change your scrub radius and make the car very sketchy at the limit of grip on turn-in. You have to do some minor surgery by adjusting the a-arm mounting points outboard on the front subframe.

Mark in Baltimore

Yes, but by that rationale, the 964 Euro cup cars (or the non-street version of the 964 US Carrera cup cars), one of the most coveted 964's, would not be as valuable as it is. I agree that a streetable 993 cup would seem to offer more appeal to the market and, hence, bring a higher price, but perhaps the market is still too soft for track toys of any variety. Maybe it's just me, but I think a 993 Supercup is still super-desirable and ultra-cool.

Who knows if there are any stories with the Supercup in the first post? Lots of these cars got bashed around pretty hard, and that doesn't seem to affect value too much, but perhaps there's more to this car than we know about?

Ish993

+993

Bill Verburg

No the Cups used a stock 93 plastic resonance intake but w/o the MAF sensor, they used a MAp scheme for mixture control similar to what is done for Motec installs these days

the g50/30 used in Cups is identical to the g50/34 used in RSR except for the cwp, Cups used 9:31 RSR 8:32, but there was some crossover depending on the track and sanctioning body regs, the Gt2 evo added a cooler and some beefier bits

See the smurf build in the other thread, RSR & GT2 mounted the front suspension in the outer position rather than the inner as used on all the other 993s, they also used wider wheels w/ different o/s and much larger f/r flares

on a n/b 993 you can fit 8.5 or even 9" wheels, these and the RS/GT2 Evo suspension components and a good track alignment will fix the built in numbness

Kein_Ersatz

race911

Track toy? Why? Unless you're a complete 993 nut. And can drive one beyond what a warmed over street version is. There aren't many of us.............. As Bill mentioned above, the cars that came later (as with all generations) are faster on the track. Until you're in a competitive, timed environment, there really isn't a point.

I say this as I look out the front window to see my car strapped on the trailer for Laguna tomorrow. Hopefully I'll get some decent video for comparison with said multiple generations. Sucky gearing for Laguna be damned.

jdistefa

^ Ken, because.... the 993 is awesome?

There's just something about the last gen of air cooled cars.... Plus, it's nice to eat guys driving the newer equipment

camlob

I realized I missed this post. Thanks for pointing this out. I didnt realize it could change the scrub radius. Can you elaborate more on the minor surgery needed on the a-arm mounting points on the front subframe? A pic would be helpful. Tnx.

jdistefa

^ follow my RSR build thread, I'll post pics when I get to that stage