Just drove new 991.......puzzled a bit....
#31
YES!!! I would gladly trade my soft 993 for a 930 or 965, or better yet, a '73 RS or one of those 2.8 RSR!!!
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#33
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That is why the 73 911S is so sought after, raw sports car.
Comparatively the 993 is luxurious. I tried to replicate the feel of an early 911 with my SC, but it still weighed 2700 lbs with a stock 180HP. I dyno'd at 163, so I might have been around 190HP, but that is still a ways from 2200lbs and 210 HP.
Even if one could get a 993 to the same lbs/HP, it wouldn't feel the same.
when I sold my SC, I wanted more of a GT car, AC, power steering, but something I could still feel connected to.
Since I came from an older car, (80 911SC) and an even older one before that (68 912, that was REALLY Light)
the 993 is much heavier in comparison and much much more luxurious.
Comparatively the 993 is luxurious. I tried to replicate the feel of an early 911 with my SC, but it still weighed 2700 lbs with a stock 180HP. I dyno'd at 163, so I might have been around 190HP, but that is still a ways from 2200lbs and 210 HP.
Even if one could get a 993 to the same lbs/HP, it wouldn't feel the same.
when I sold my SC, I wanted more of a GT car, AC, power steering, but something I could still feel connected to.
Since I came from an older car, (80 911SC) and an even older one before that (68 912, that was REALLY Light)
the 993 is much heavier in comparison and much much more luxurious.
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That is why I absolutely love a Miata, especially the first two generations. It certainly has a raw sports car feel. And it has some decent basic comfort like A/C. non-leaking roof and working electrics. oh, and it doesn't really leak oil.
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I have both...very different cars. Love them each for different reasons. My cayman is heavily modded, but it still feels more refined and luxurious than the 993. It is much faster and perfectly balanced. The 993 is a little more raw, smaller and def feels like a throw back. However, in the end, you can tell they came from the same family!
#37
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If there was a proliferation of forums back then I am sure that would be the case. The same discussions go on at the guitar forums although I laugh at people calling 80's and 90's instruments "vintage".
#38
My expectation in owning a Porsche is to own and drive a sports car, and the more I look at more current 911's (996, 997, 991), the more I move toward the Boxster/Caymen varients to meet that expectation. As fine as the 991 may be, I'm not interested in owning one.
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You know, in the guitar and amp universes, Gibson, Fender, and Marshall are reissuing their classic equipment and doing quite a brisk business with it. Perhaps Porsche could explore a 993 reissue. It would be fantastically expensive, and they'd probably have to convince the gubmint to let 'em, but what a cool thing that would be.
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But to get back on topic, I think the 991 is just fine for what it needs to accomplish in today's world. Given engine reliability, I'll gladly shop a 2012 model in 2017 or 2018.
I've got my 993s partially because they were bought for all I think any non-investment grade car is worth. Funnyism going on right now is that I'm on the verge of taking a huge step back into the torsion bar chassis world. The underlying car that will be transplanted into my faux '73 RS shell will result in a car that will not really be any slower than the faux 993 RS. Albeit, with a much worse ride, and will require all the skill I still have to hustle as quickly as the 993.
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A little OT but responding to the thread below: Very nice cars. I wouldn't buy a similar Porsche product because I know it would be overpriced. I believe they were looking into a small 4 cylinder model but they cancelled it due to concerns of tarnishing the brand or something like that (like they haven't done that already with the Cayenne/Touareg or Panemera) I'd buy the Subaru but to answer your question, yes I would be interested in seeing it made.
What if Porsche went back to their roots and made something simple and lightweight as their primary design goal? Toyota, Scion and Subaru will be selling a simple rear drive sport coupe this year. How many of you would be interested in an entry level sports car from Porsche that was simple, light and relatively inexpensive? And, wouldn't it be interesting if there was an amateur racing series featuring the new model...here's a link to the Toyota/Scion/Subaru. Oh and it has a flat four for power....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g
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What if Porsche went back to their roots and made something simple and lightweight as their primary design goal? Toyota, Scion and Subaru will be selling a simple rear drive sport coupe this year. How many of you would be interested in an entry level sports car from Porsche that was simple, light and relatively inexpensive? And, wouldn't it be interesting if there was an amateur racing series featuring the new model...here's a link to the Toyota/Scion/Subaru. Oh and it has a flat four for power....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g
#43
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Referring to an earlier comment here, I agree that the original article of anything possesses something that a reissue just can't conjure up - call it legitimacy, gravitas, patina, mojo, whatever.
#44
Porsche has taken the 991 into the GT class for the well heeled, not a bad marketing plan considering what must be a high profit market.
And that creates a niche for their Cayman .... likely an excellent sports car that might replicate some of the things we love about our 993 sports cars.
Ya'll?
Gordo
And that creates a niche for their Cayman .... likely an excellent sports car that might replicate some of the things we love about our 993 sports cars.
Ya'll?
Gordo
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