Just drove new 991.......puzzled a bit....
02-20-2012, 09:13 PM
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To each his own. My lightened '86 Carrera is loads more fun to drive than my 993. I've driven a '73 and that is even more sports car like than either the '86 or the '97. I would own one in heartbeat if I had the funds and the room. I also love the 993 as a more refined, modern car for when I want that experience.
02-20-2012, 09:44 PM
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I agree but I think this statement is a relatively new sound byte, a reaction to realizing what the newer models can do today and how they feel from a driver's standpoint. I don't think there is 993 owner out there that hasn't researched performance upgrades the day after they purchased their cars, yet Porsche delivers a 911 that exceeds all expectations for performance and for some, including me, there is some let down. I think it is liken to anticipating a movie that has the most advanced CGI special fx only to be let down by a poorly written plot. It is this same imbalance that some of us see with the direction the 911 has taken. Technology has finally delivered more than enough and the chase to get there has really put a lot of the emotive design qualities I like in a car on the back burner. Not sure what the solutions are but if this stays on trend, there will even fewer newer cars to look forward to.
02-20-2012, 10:07 PM
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I drove the 991 as well, although for a much shorter jaunt than 30 minutes. I was impressed with all the techno-stuff that was imbedded into the car. The shifting of the PDK was intuitive and, well... much much better than what I could have managed with a manual.
My car felt a bit floaty when I bought it, but pinned tie rods, stiff springs, new bushings etc have given it a go-kart feel that I absolutely love. I am sure the GT3 version of the 991 will be an absolute monster.
My car felt a bit floaty when I bought it, but pinned tie rods, stiff springs, new bushings etc have given it a go-kart feel that I absolutely love. I am sure the GT3 version of the 991 will be an absolute monster.
02-20-2012, 11:16 PM
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You know, in the guitar and amp universes, Gibson, Fender, and Marshall are reissuing their classic equipment and doing quite a brisk business with it. Perhaps Porsche could explore a 993 reissue. It would be fantastically expensive, and they'd probably have to convince the gubmint to let 'em, but what a cool thing that would be.
02-20-2012, 11:27 PM
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You know, in the guitar and amp universes, Gibson, Fender, and Marshall are reissuing their classic equipment and doing quite a brisk business with it. Perhaps Porsche could explore a 993 reissue. It would be fantastically expensive, and they'd probably have to convince the gubmint to let 'em, but what a cool thing that would be.
02-21-2012, 12:04 AM
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I had a chance to get a ride on a "mini-autocross" track at a Porsche driving event at the Daytona 24. Though I did not get to drive it, the "race-car driver" was able to impress me with the handling, braking and cacceleration of the car. Sure it was a fun ride, but i would never get a chance, nor really want to, drive the car like that. The 997 is too "soft" for me in around town driving. It would be awesome on the track. My 993 is enjoyable on my country roads which is where I spend most of my time and still exhilerating at speed. The 991 is just a further evolution.
02-21-2012, 12:23 AM
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What if Porsche went back to their roots and made something simple and lightweight as their primary design goal? Toyota, Scion and Subaru will be selling a simple rear drive sport coupe this year. How many of you would be interested in an entry level sports car from Porsche that was simple, light and relatively inexpensive? And, wouldn't it be interesting if there was an amateur racing series featuring the new model...here's a link to the Toyota/Scion/Subaru. Oh and it has a flat four for power....
02-21-2012, 12:27 AM
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This is why the 356 is the best Porsche. If it doesn't have everything you want in a sports car you just keep moving to a newer and newer model until you get what you want. Most of us stopped at the 993. 
I have zero interest in a newish Porsche except for perhaps an overpriced Cayenne.
I have zero interest in a newish Porsche except for perhaps an overpriced Cayenne.
02-21-2012, 02:43 AM
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Technological advances have refined the Porsche to the point that it has just about removed any requirement for true driver's skill as we know it. I could spin my SC almost on demand, the 993 less so,and I'm pretty sure you would need to shut everything off to get that same gut feel of the early cars. Wait 12-15 years and see if the 991 is the car our 993s were at the same age.
02-21-2012, 07:52 AM
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You know, in the guitar and amp universes, Gibson, Fender, and Marshall are reissuing their classic equipment and doing quite a brisk business with it. Perhaps Porsche could explore a 993 reissue. It would be fantastically expensive, and they'd probably have to convince the gubmint to let 'em, but what a cool thing that would be.
02-21-2012, 07:57 AM
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I drove the new 991 S with PDK and everything seemed really muted........for lack of a better word.....
My 2003 C4S even seemed to be more involving than the 991.....as is my 993...
The car drives extremely smooth, stable, handled nicely, sneaky fast (but not scary fast like a turbo - got it up to 105 on an open road) and will do about anything you ask it to do, albeit uneventfully..........BUT....was not really that much fun to drive............a luxury GT feeling for sure, i.e. like an Aston......car is almost too perfect, which is not a bad thing, but the sports car feeling is just not there for me anyways....
I did not leave the dealer with a WOW special type feeling..........but I dearly wanted to.....was truly not excited after a 30 minute test ride....
Hopped back into my 993 and enjoyed the challenge.....maybe I would have to run the car all out and punish it a bit before appreciating the 991.....maybe higher limits to exact the brilliance out of the car?
Any other 993ers test drive the 991 yet/comment?
My 2003 C4S even seemed to be more involving than the 991.....as is my 993...
The car drives extremely smooth, stable, handled nicely, sneaky fast (but not scary fast like a turbo - got it up to 105 on an open road) and will do about anything you ask it to do, albeit uneventfully..........BUT....was not really that much fun to drive............a luxury GT feeling for sure, i.e. like an Aston......car is almost too perfect, which is not a bad thing, but the sports car feeling is just not there for me anyways....
I did not leave the dealer with a WOW special type feeling..........but I dearly wanted to.....was truly not excited after a 30 minute test ride....
Hopped back into my 993 and enjoyed the challenge.....maybe I would have to run the car all out and punish it a bit before appreciating the 991.....maybe higher limits to exact the brilliance out of the car?
Any other 993ers test drive the 991 yet/comment?
Wow, I sure didn't see that coming.
02-21-2012, 09:19 AM
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Does the Cayman satisfy the return to more involved sporty driving?
Does the Cayman solve the problem pointed out with the newer Porsches that have lost some of the classic qualities of the 993? That would bring up the question of driving a 993 versus a Cayman for a pleasure drive on a back road?
02-21-2012, 10:06 AM
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The experience is not the same. The chrysler, which is based on a 210 e-class platform, does not ride as well or have the same suspension refinement, interior comfort, quiet, or appointments. It does not have any steering feel, which the panamera does.
There is no comparison in how the car drives, performs, or feels.
To each his own. My lightened '86 Carrera is loads more fun to drive than my 993. I've driven a '73 and that is even more sports car like than either the '86 or the '97. I would own one in heartbeat if I had the funds and the room. I also love the 993 as a more refined, modern car for when I want that experience.
02-21-2012, 11:40 AM
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That could be a possibility save for the fact that most folks don't get a chance to sample older cars enough to make the leap. I did get to drive a 964 3.6T and a new '00 996 a few times before making the decision to buy a 993 in the same year. Money was not an issue w/regards to buying the 996 new or the used 3.6T
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