2012 Goal: 993 C2S!
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2012 Goal: 993 C2S!
I am looking to buy a sorted black on black 993S. I plan on purchasing one with lower miles, updated bits (steering wheel, ducky tail, value guides, suspension/ride height, clutch, LWFW, exhaust etc.) and I plan on throwing those newer OEM 19" Fuchs that come on the 997.
Comments and opinions welcome. Time to add an "upgrade" to the stable and accompany my 996 (aka the pig).
I would consider all of the above to a 993TT (minus the duck fart) if the price was...right.
Comments and opinions welcome. Time to add an "upgrade" to the stable and accompany my 996 (aka the pig).
I would consider all of the above to a 993TT (minus the duck fart) if the price was...right.
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Great choice on the car; stay away from 19" wheels! They are simply the wrong size for 993's. Plenty of great options in 18's.
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This will be hotly debated I'm sure. My 997 came with 19s and I couldn't wait to get 18s on. Now the 991 comes with 20s! My 993 C2S came with 18s and they are "just right". Couldn't imagine the car with the harsher ride of 1" less sidewall unless the tire maker really got the flex just right. One problem you might find with 19s is finding the correct rear diameter. The 19s appear mostly to be made for 26 to 26.5" rear diameters (295), where our cars want 25". In 19 there are probably 275s that will be correct, but then you've got skinnier tires than the 18" 285 that's "stock".
You asked for thoughts...
Steering wheel to the 996 3-spoke? I thought about it and it's just a steering wheel, doesn't really change how the car drives or looks, so I decided to stick with what the car was built with.
I don't see the need to change the tail - something "just right" about the wide body as is.
Valve guides - why?
Suspension - I picked up M033 ROW height springs and have a set of Koni FSD on order with TireRack at $935 a set.
LWFW - to me only a consideration when the clutch needs changing. I like how the car responds now, so I wouldn't drop the engine on an "as new" low mile car.
Exhaust - Also considered this and then realized "why"? My car came with the 159 Motor Sound Package and it sounds pretty good to me.
Find the right car, see what is has, then decide...
You asked for thoughts...
Steering wheel to the 996 3-spoke? I thought about it and it's just a steering wheel, doesn't really change how the car drives or looks, so I decided to stick with what the car was built with.
I don't see the need to change the tail - something "just right" about the wide body as is.
Valve guides - why?
Suspension - I picked up M033 ROW height springs and have a set of Koni FSD on order with TireRack at $935 a set.
LWFW - to me only a consideration when the clutch needs changing. I like how the car responds now, so I wouldn't drop the engine on an "as new" low mile car.
Exhaust - Also considered this and then realized "why"? My car came with the 159 Motor Sound Package and it sounds pretty good to me.
Find the right car, see what is has, then decide...
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RonCT,
I use 315x25x19 and 255x30x19 tires. These tires are just about the same diameter as the stock 18" (285x30x18 and 225x40x18). I agree with you... you get to pay for that skiinnier sidewall with an extra degree of ride harshness, but at the same time, there is no "squiggle" due to sidewall flex when cornering hard. Is this for everyone? no. Is it a bad setup? no.
I use 315x25x19 and 255x30x19 tires. These tires are just about the same diameter as the stock 18" (285x30x18 and 225x40x18). I agree with you... you get to pay for that skiinnier sidewall with an extra degree of ride harshness, but at the same time, there is no "squiggle" due to sidewall flex when cornering hard. Is this for everyone? no. Is it a bad setup? no.
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Ahh, that would do it then. I didn't think to look as wide as that, figuring 295 to 305 was the limit and in those widths the diameters are all 26" plus vs. our OEM 285 at under 25.
I would have to think that the overall design of the 19s must be "different" than 18s to account for the differing sidewall thickness. Then again, if you have a 19" wheel and 26.3" diameter tires (like my 997 did), you have approximately 3.65" sidewall (rough general terms). Take a 24.8" diameter tire with an 18" wheel and it's 3.4", so not that different. But a 25" tire on a 19" rim and you're down to 3"...
I would have to think that the overall design of the 19s must be "different" than 18s to account for the differing sidewall thickness. Then again, if you have a 19" wheel and 26.3" diameter tires (like my 997 did), you have approximately 3.65" sidewall (rough general terms). Take a 24.8" diameter tire with an 18" wheel and it's 3.4", so not that different. But a 25" tire on a 19" rim and you're down to 3"...
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You asked for thoughts...
Steering wheel to the 996 3-spoke? I thought about it and it's just a steering wheel, doesn't really change how the car drives or looks, so I decided to stick with what the car was built with.
I don't see the need to change the tail - something "just right" about the wide body as is.
Valve guides - why?
Suspension - I picked up M033 ROW height springs and have a set of Koni FSD on order with TireRack at $935 a set.
LWFW - to me only a consideration when the clutch needs changing. I like how the car responds now, so I wouldn't drop the engine on an "as new" low mile car.
Exhaust - Also considered this and then realized "why"? My car came with the 159 Motor Sound Package and it sounds pretty good to me.
Find the right car, see what is has, then decide...
Steering wheel to the 996 3-spoke? I thought about it and it's just a steering wheel, doesn't really change how the car drives or looks, so I decided to stick with what the car was built with.
I don't see the need to change the tail - something "just right" about the wide body as is.
Valve guides - why?
Suspension - I picked up M033 ROW height springs and have a set of Koni FSD on order with TireRack at $935 a set.
LWFW - to me only a consideration when the clutch needs changing. I like how the car responds now, so I wouldn't drop the engine on an "as new" low mile car.
Exhaust - Also considered this and then realized "why"? My car came with the 159 Motor Sound Package and it sounds pretty good to me.
Find the right car, see what is has, then decide...
-I thought i recalled that some 993s have value guide issues at a certain milage...maybe it was my Ducati Multistrada I was thinking of...dunno. I'm not going to drink less rye to preserve my memory
-I agree with the LWFW comment. 40K miles is considered "lower" right?
-Exhaust...If it is sorted and the cats are functional, ill wait for a "Kiesan" deal to get an aftermarket set or until they bust
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When I was still looking for a 993 C2S about 4 months ago I found one with about 35k miles on it that was my primary target at that time. But then a few things bothered me about the inspection. It needed a new clutch, which seemed odd to me at 35k. Others here at the forum were at anywhere between 60 and 100k (or there about) before needing clutch work. Then I found in the service history that the rear tires were replaced just 5k miles prior and it needed new rear tires again (down to 3/32). So my conclusion was the owner was unkind to the clutch and rear tires and so I passed.
To me 40k miles is on the low side and it might be another 40k before you need to address the clutch unless... But I'm a newbie to the 993 world, so others will be able to advise you better.
To me 40k miles is on the low side and it might be another 40k before you need to address the clutch unless... But I'm a newbie to the 993 world, so others will be able to advise you better.
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You will probably have quite a time even finding a base care with the mileage you want...they are out there but not like a 996. Then you will have to hop on your *** and slide down the slippery slope like many others here...meaning upgrade it yourself.
I like the duck and am getting one painted for my car as I write. LWF is great as is the suspension. PSS10 also my first choice.
It is not a 996 though...it is older and "different". Most like it but a freind of mine likes his 996 tt better than the 993...I was opposite. Good luck in your search and it would be great to have a new 993 member here!
I like the duck and am getting one painted for my car as I write. LWF is great as is the suspension. PSS10 also my first choice.
It is not a 996 though...it is older and "different". Most like it but a freind of mine likes his 996 tt better than the 993...I was opposite. Good luck in your search and it would be great to have a new 993 member here!
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RonCT & ABCar - Thank you for your input.
Considering how well the 993 appears to perform even with 75K+ miles, I would consider "higher milage" with a sound PPI with the vehicle having up to date maintenance. I guess the trade off would be to having a higher milage car would be the greater the chance of the car having mods =)
Considering how well the 993 appears to perform even with 75K+ miles, I would consider "higher milage" with a sound PPI with the vehicle having up to date maintenance. I guess the trade off would be to having a higher milage car would be the greater the chance of the car having mods =)
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Having considered about 10 in earnest out of 50 that were available over a multi-month period, I'd say in general that is correct. The fewer miles, the less likely the car was "tinkered with". The 17k mile car I ended up buying had nothing changed at all, just service and maintenance. The 40k cars I looked at mostly had something done to them, even as minor as a 996 steering wheel, PSS9s, Turbo S fogs / intakes, etc. What was nice to see was that whether 20, 40, or 60k miles I didn't see a pattern of "major problems" with the 993s. So I figured buying a pristine 17k car with great service history would probably give me 15 years and 45k miles worth of relatively trouble free miles.
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Don't stop with the rye... your memory is spot on. All of the 993s (as with most of the air cooled flat sixes?) DO have rather soft valve guides that can lead to premature wear, and may require a "top-end" rebuild. The symptom generally is excessive oil consumption, but a loss of power may also be noticed. I believe the exhaust valve guides are the first to go, and a skilled tech may actually be able to wiggle the valve spring and detect the wear. There are some better quality aftermarket valve guides available. IMHO.
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Don't stop with the rye... your memory is spot on. All of the 993s (as with most of the air cooled flat sixes?) DO have rather soft valve guides that can lead to premature wear, and may require a "top-end" rebuild. The symptom generally is excessive oil consumption, but a loss of power may also be noticed. I believe the exhaust valve guides are the first to go, and a skilled tech may actually be able to wiggle the valve spring and detect the wear. There are some better quality aftermarket valve guides available. IMHO.
I really enjoy my 996C4S but there is just something about 993s that puts you guys in a class of your own. 2 years ago, I came close to buying the car below but all my vehicles seem to be...darker.
