C2 in snow
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My '95 C2 Cabriolet (Tiptronic) with performance tires is just "passably okay" in snow. With the wide rear tires, I have to drive it in 2nd from a stop - and even then I have to use very little throttle - any turn will kick the rear out - if any throttle is used at all.
On straight but uphill pavement, the rear weight bias provides plenty of grip. In the Pacific Northwest, where deep snow (3" or more) happens only once or twice/winter, I can "make do" without winter tires.
WIth 4 studded tires (still allowed in Washington state - in winter) or 4 contact snow tires - the car is as good as most folk need. Only snow deep enough to lift the car off the road will stop it.
On straight but uphill pavement, the rear weight bias provides plenty of grip. In the Pacific Northwest, where deep snow (3" or more) happens only once or twice/winter, I can "make do" without winter tires.
WIth 4 studded tires (still allowed in Washington state - in winter) or 4 contact snow tires - the car is as good as most folk need. Only snow deep enough to lift the car off the road will stop it.
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I used to drive my C2 in the winters. With proper tires it is fantastic - if you have a LSD it is even better. I would leave SUV's from stop time and time again - all season tires are total crap. The only time I ever had an issue was in 4+ inches of slush/snow, then the front will get a little light and the car will track where ever the ruts go. I would recommend 993's for snow any day.
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I use my 95 year round in snow with extra set of rims and Pirelli snow tires since new......have used in NJ, NY, Maryland and NC mountains during snowfall.....
Put the snows on in December, take off in March...........
Handles as good as most anything in snow, but if the snowfall is too high, low ride height can be an issue......
To improve overall traction, I load a 50 pound bag of salt in the front trunk to keep the front grounded...........
MY C4 was even better............but C2 does the job with proper driving...
Put the snows on in December, take off in March...........
Handles as good as most anything in snow, but if the snowfall is too high, low ride height can be an issue......
To improve overall traction, I load a 50 pound bag of salt in the front trunk to keep the front grounded...........
MY C4 was even better............but C2 does the job with proper driving...
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I have a C2S with 17" winter tires. As long as the snow is less than 8" (i.e., the car has adequate ground clearance), it goes anywhere. The first set of Michelin Pilot Alpins lasted 10 years (in NJ and PA) but the rear size is NLA. I switched in December to Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D and had no issues this winter. I'll be swapping to summers this week.
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I can't imagine it's much (if at all) worse than an AWD car. All tire dependent, as commented on above.
I went with Michelin X-Ice, 205 + 235X17. Ran through some nasty storms this winter to/from skiing.
Moving away from a stop would be the only major concern, and in that area I do notice the 993 AWD is a step below the 964 AWD.
I went with Michelin X-Ice, 205 + 235X17. Ran through some nasty storms this winter to/from skiing.
Moving away from a stop would be the only major concern, and in that area I do notice the 993 AWD is a step below the 964 AWD.
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15 Alaska winters, no problem.
I currently run Nokian Haks, I'm sure Blizzaks and others perform as well.
No need for 4WD in my opinion...acceleration is never a problem, it's all about stopping when it's slippery.
(In fact, I enjoy winter driving more than summer....hang the tail out, power drifting).
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I currently run Nokian Haks, I'm sure Blizzaks and others perform as well.
No need for 4WD in my opinion...acceleration is never a problem, it's all about stopping when it's slippery.
(In fact, I enjoy winter driving more than summer....hang the tail out, power drifting).
Gordo
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Been driving all winter (Oslo Norway)with my C2. No problem but it is all down to the quality of the tyres. The car looks really uncool with the 8X17 ET70 225/45 at the back, but this is what the manual says!
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I can't imagine it's much (if at all) worse than an AWD car. All tire dependent, as commented on above.
I went with Michelin X-Ice, 205 + 235X17. Ran through some nasty storms this winter to/from skiing.
Moving away from a stop would be the only major concern, and in that area I do notice the 993 AWD is a step below the 964 AWD.
I went with Michelin X-Ice, 205 + 235X17. Ran through some nasty storms this winter to/from skiing.
Moving away from a stop would be the only major concern, and in that area I do notice the 993 AWD is a step below the 964 AWD.
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I can't imagin a 2WD 993 with tires is anywhere close to a 964 C4 with the same tires. I have thrashed my C4 in the snow and it always had excellent traction in the snow. I could beat AWD/4WD suvs and truck off the line and just keep on going. I wouldn't even attempt the same driving with a C2, which can break loose on dry pavement.
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This is one of the reasons why I'm considering selling my C2. Living in Colorado and the unpredictability of snow dump one day and 70 degrees today.
We have two many cars, and in downsizing the stable, if I want to keep driving a 993 with my young kids, I'm not so sure I trust the C2 as a daily driver. I know guys have C2 in Colorado, but they also have snow worthy vehicles as DD for those really bad snows. I'm considering a C4, C4S, TT if I want to go year round.
We have two many cars, and in downsizing the stable, if I want to keep driving a 993 with my young kids, I'm not so sure I trust the C2 as a daily driver. I know guys have C2 in Colorado, but they also have snow worthy vehicles as DD for those really bad snows. I'm considering a C4, C4S, TT if I want to go year round.
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This is one of the reasons why I'm considering selling my C2. Living in Colorado and the unpredictability of snow dump one day and 70 degrees today.
We have two many cars, and in downsizing the stable, if I want to keep driving a 993 with my young kids, I'm not so sure I trust the C2 as a daily driver. I know guys have C2 in Colorado, but they also have snow worthy vehicles as DD for those really bad snows. I'm considering a C4, C4S, TT if I want to go year round.
We have two many cars, and in downsizing the stable, if I want to keep driving a 993 with my young kids, I'm not so sure I trust the C2 as a daily driver. I know guys have C2 in Colorado, but they also have snow worthy vehicles as DD for those really bad snows. I'm considering a C4, C4S, TT if I want to go year round.
85 degrees last Saturday and a snow storm with accumilation the next day.
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Can't say I've ever had a C2 (RSA, specifically in my case) break loose on the street. Note I said the issue with a RWD car would be moving away from a stop. I definitely feel the 993 AWD is inferior in that respect, relative to what I remember of the 964 AWD from ~10 years ago.
I could probably use 50% maybe up to 65-70% throttle with snows on my C4 with very little if any traction loss from a dead stop. It is trully quite an amazing vehicle in that respect.
I just can't imagine even once going along at cruising speeds the C2 is anywhere in the realm of a C4.
However, now, having said that, I do not doubt that with snows on a C2 it is possible to get around in say less than 3 or so inches of snow.