Makmov

All I can tell you is I worked for a dealer repair shop that did 100s of Lexus door repairs under factory warranty 10 years ago because the door hinge failed, which I have no proof of. But I can also tell it was because the door was too bloody heavy for the bearing, and it was a stupid design to start with.

I have already made it clear I do not like Toyota, but for some very valid reasons that seem to be trumpted by a bunch of nonsense.

But hey if you want a Toyota, knock yourself out.

However, not everyone has fallen under the Toyota spell.

Makmov

I do. Don't get me wrong. I respect Toyota for there accomplishments, and they bulid great appliances... I mean decent cars.

I am actually really kind of disappointed that Toyota hasn't been more successful in motorsports (they seemed to have all the potential), but then niether has Honda to any great extent.

Quite honestly, the most overlooked make, Mazda has better cars than either of the aforementioned, and they have a Le Mans win to their credit.

I am just not captivated by them (Toyota), and I think everything that people rave on and on and on about relaiblity is way over-blown. It does bother me to some extent that people are blinded by the hype and fail to see them for what the really are: good reliable transportation. Nothing more nothing less.

On top of that they peaked 3 years ago. Since, Ford knocked off the Camery, their reliablity is sagging, in sub compact hot hatches Mazdaspeed 3 blows the Matrix away, and the Prius don't even get me going on that. Toyota has some pretty stiff competition and if they are not careful they will get knocked of their high horse they ride.

I have owned Toyotas, and they have been pretty reliable. However, they have not had a spotless record and they tend to be pricey to fix, much more than a Honda. My Celica GT had some really stupid failures that should have never happen on any car much less a Toyota. How does the end of a crankshaft fall off?

However, in the end they are dreadfully boring to drive and is not at all inspirational. Toyotas have no character, no personality, no soul or spirit.

Mazda actually has a car that turns a corner, handles and is sporty to drive.

Moreover, you really gotta wonder where their head is with the LFA. What's was the point of that? I am sure it's fantastic, but why? Ten years in development, billions spent. Even at the $460,000.00they said they were loosing some rediculous amounts of money per copy. Who is going to buy one?

It's a Toyota.

For less than half there is a long list of cars that are much more impressive that DO have a spirit and a soul.

Quadcammer

Ok, all of that is fine, but what does it have to do with the LS460 that this guy is interested in?

Makmov

I already said.

Don't get for the all the wrong reason and regret it later.

I don't have to live with the choice, but he does. So choose wisely.

If he can live with a soul-less spirit-less appliance. Fine. I don't have a problem with that. I don't have to drive it every day.

I think it's an LS430 anyways, it's always good to have an alternate prospective than the one-sided, it's the best most reliable luxury car you can buy, argument.

He asked for opinons and I gave him mine. I am sorry I offended some Lexus lovers that defended the Lexus name tooth and nail, but you are wasting your time. I formed strong opinons about Toyota a long time ago, they have done nothing to change them, and it doesn't look like they are going to any time soon.

993c4_Toronto

FYI, I drove my LS400 home from work today and the doors did not fall of nor did I fall asleep at the wheel and crash and burn over the side of a cliff.

Although a warning light did come on the dash indicating that I was experiencing a SAI issue on my 993 that is currently in storage.

dcdude

Uh, oh. We seem to have lost the OP. No matter what you do, never trade in a classic at a dealer. You will get ripped off on value, even with the low miles.

+1. Do you take pleasure in driving? If so, get a BMW, not a Lexus.

Some would say that with the "couch" comment, you kinda just did

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Looong road trips they can't be beat.
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CP

Now I have to defend the 92 SCs.

I have a 92 SC300, 5 speed. It became my daughter's DD since she was 17 years old. It has some 180,000 miles on it now. Only needed brakes, clutch (once at 102k miles), oil changes, tires and nothing else.

It is the MOST reliable car we have ever owned, bar none. And 19 years later, we still love the way the SC looks.

We now have a 2005 RX 330. Also as reliable as they come.

CP

xcusemi

Thanks to everyone for the suggestion. Have been travel this whole week and just got back home for a long trip.

I currently have 2 porsches and what I am looking for is somthing that is soft and confortable. Not looking for any driving excitment since I plan to use the car to carry 2 children and would not want any harsh ride for the daily use. Since the early LS430 would be close to 10 yrs old, I would need the realiability to be my main concern since I do not want my wife when driving the car with my 2 young children get stuck in the middle of the highway, which will be very dangerous for them.

After reading though all the post, I am now more convince that LS430 will suit my need. Want to thank everyone for sharing their experinece and guidance.

Thanks and have a wonderful weekend!