Fister PSE
02-04-2010 | 02:00 AM
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Burning Brakes
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Fister PSE
That's right. 
I'm changing the name of Fister Stage III's to simply Fister PSE. This is the best way IMO to describe this upgrade. If a sport exhuast option had been offered from the factory (no not motorsound but proper sport exhaust similiar in concept to the late model version)...the Fister Stage III's would be it, full stop.
I mean the Mille Miglia's I've had on the car for the past 5 years were loud. Louder at idle in fact. But...under load and certainly at WOT, the TONE of the Mille's was never right (lower frequency and non growl like). Of significantly greater importance they had a "booming" effect and resonance at times. I really liked them (lots of compliments). But I already LOVE the Stage III's!!!
To say they feel like a factory part is quite high praise I know but there is an element of refinement to the sound (not nearly over the top) that's sporty but not stoopid. And the TOTAL lack of resonance along with the TONE w/ GROWL in harmony with that flat-6 whomping behind you....well it's what Porsche intended the song to be. Darin was right when he said they are a 6-10 if the Supercraps are a 10. Totally liveable.
On the issue of volume: Anyone on the fence between Stage II and III it's case closed. The III's are the no brainer choice, they are not even close to too loud and/or obnoxious. You can quietly roll in Stealth on part throttle when you need to and only if you're foot is in to it will you unleash the snarl. Even then, it's perfectly reasonable. This may sound like blasphemy but truth is my car sounds exactly what my 996's (both had factory PSE) sounded like with the valve open full time. Awesome and never overbearing. Sorry Stage I and II's guys, I'm sure your cars sound no less awesome. I'm only addressing those that think they want the III's but are worried they will be too lound. If you think you want Stage III...you want Stage III.
Thanks Darin
I'm changing the name of Fister Stage III's to simply Fister PSE. This is the best way IMO to describe this upgrade. If a sport exhuast option had been offered from the factory (no not motorsound but proper sport exhaust similiar in concept to the late model version)...the Fister Stage III's would be it, full stop.I mean the Mille Miglia's I've had on the car for the past 5 years were loud. Louder at idle in fact. But...under load and certainly at WOT, the TONE of the Mille's was never right (lower frequency and non growl like). Of significantly greater importance they had a "booming" effect and resonance at times. I really liked them (lots of compliments). But I already LOVE the Stage III's!!!
To say they feel like a factory part is quite high praise I know but there is an element of refinement to the sound (not nearly over the top) that's sporty but not stoopid. And the TOTAL lack of resonance along with the TONE w/ GROWL in harmony with that flat-6 whomping behind you....well it's what Porsche intended the song to be. Darin was right when he said they are a 6-10 if the Supercraps are a 10. Totally liveable.
On the issue of volume: Anyone on the fence between Stage II and III it's case closed. The III's are the no brainer choice, they are not even close to too loud and/or obnoxious. You can quietly roll in Stealth on part throttle when you need to and only if you're foot is in to it will you unleash the snarl. Even then, it's perfectly reasonable. This may sound like blasphemy but truth is my car sounds exactly what my 996's (both had factory PSE) sounded like with the valve open full time. Awesome and never overbearing. Sorry Stage I and II's guys, I'm sure your cars sound no less awesome. I'm only addressing those that think they want the III's but are worried they will be too lound. If you think you want Stage III...you want Stage III.
Thanks Darin
02-04-2010 | 08:26 AM
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Maybe I am missing what PSE stands for, but I get your message and appreciate your assessment. I, like others around here are constantly being pulled II to III and III to II...with alot of ifs ands and buts...your description is emphatic and clear. So for the next ten minutes, AT LEAST, I am definitely maybe and most probably going to get...PSE! (but please make me feel less stupid and tell me what that stands for...)
Good post!
Good post!
02-04-2010 | 11:40 AM
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From: Sandy, UT/Fish Haven, ID
PSE stands for **** Star Experience. It is a true acronym and does stand for that.
You want to be **** star? Get stage III's!!
**I have the same Mille Miglia exhaust as Jordan had--it is somewhat aggressive and by no means close to stock.
You want to be **** star? Get stage III's!!
**I have the same Mille Miglia exhaust as Jordan had--it is somewhat aggressive and by no means close to stock.
02-04-2010 | 12:13 PM
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Music to my ears,great description.I'm waiting for my Stage III,velvet black.I have RSR's and had already made up my mind to go with Stage II's,but after a brief conversation with Darin in which I expressed my indecision ,all he said was that he had the III's in his car,that's all it took and after reading your post I'm glad I did.Also,like others have experienced, it is indeed a pleasure to deal with Darin,very nice and professional.
Joseph
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96 C2
31k mi.MO33/Bilstein,MO30sways,Alu/carbon shifter and e-brake,993 3-spoke,MYO2 17" wheels'
RSR's (soon to be shipped back to Darin)
Joseph
________________________________________________________________________ ____________
96 C2
31k mi.MO33/Bilstein,MO30sways,Alu/carbon shifter and e-brake,993 3-spoke,MYO2 17" wheels'
RSR's (soon to be shipped back to Darin)
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02-05-2010 | 11:39 AM
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From: Calgary...Under my car... :)
02-05-2010 | 12:18 PM
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I'm just kidding around here. I think the Stage IIs are what I want as I'm not looking to bump the noise level up much. Arrival is expected on Tuesday along with your FD parts Steven.
02-16-2010 | 01:00 PM
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From: Sandy, UT/Fish Haven, ID
I have a Fabspeed airbox---that could explain the growl I hear vs. what you heard on your set up. I acutally had Stage III's on order for over a month but Darin was backlogged on the tips (MM are welded on), and I grew inpatient and cancelled. Generally speaking, when I make a decision on something, I buy quickly and after the backlog, the novalty has wore off and Im more into my new ski's and boots right now then Porsche exhaust. 
Im sure at some point I will buy a new exhaust but no rush anymore. More important things on the table like Mexico next week for some beach action, Colorado the following to snowboard. Priorities I tell ya!!
Im sure at some point I will buy a new exhaust but no rush anymore. More important things on the table like Mexico next week for some beach action, Colorado the following to snowboard. Priorities I tell ya!!
That's right. I'm changing the name of Fister Stage III's to simply Fister PSE. This is the best way IMO to describe this upgrade. If a sport exhuast option had been offered from the factory (no not motorsound but proper sport exhaust similiar in concept to the late model version)...the Fister Stage III's would be it, full stop.
I mean the Mille Miglia's I've had on the car for the past 5 years were loud. Louder at idle in fact. But...under load and certainly at WOT, the TONE of the Mille's was never right (lower frequency and non growl like). Of significantly greater importance they had a "booming" effect and resonance at times. I really liked them (lots of compliments). But I already LOVE the Stage III's!!!
To say they feel like a factory part is quite high praise I know but there is an element of refinement to the sound (not nearly over the top) that's sporty but not stoopid. And the TOTAL lack of resonance along with the TONE w/ GROWL in harmony with that flat-6 whomping behind you....well it's what Porsche intended the song to be. Darin was right when he said they are a 6-10 if the Supercraps are a 10. Totally liveable.
On the issue of volume: Anyone on the fence between Stage II and III it's case closed. The III's are the no brainer choice, they are not even close to too loud and/or obnoxious. You can quietly roll in Stealth on part throttle when you need to and only if you're foot is in to it will you unleash the snarl. Even then, it's perfectly reasonable. This may sound like blasphemy but truth is my car sounds exactly what my 996's (both had factory PSE) sounded like with the valve open full time. Awesome and never overbearing. Sorry Stage I and II's guys, I'm sure your cars sound no less awesome. I'm only addressing those that think they want the III's but are worried they will be too lound. If you think you want Stage III...you want Stage III.
Thanks Darin
I'm changing the name of Fister Stage III's to simply Fister PSE. This is the best way IMO to describe this upgrade. If a sport exhuast option had been offered from the factory (no not motorsound but proper sport exhaust similiar in concept to the late model version)...the Fister Stage III's would be it, full stop.I mean the Mille Miglia's I've had on the car for the past 5 years were loud. Louder at idle in fact. But...under load and certainly at WOT, the TONE of the Mille's was never right (lower frequency and non growl like). Of significantly greater importance they had a "booming" effect and resonance at times. I really liked them (lots of compliments). But I already LOVE the Stage III's!!!
To say they feel like a factory part is quite high praise I know but there is an element of refinement to the sound (not nearly over the top) that's sporty but not stoopid. And the TOTAL lack of resonance along with the TONE w/ GROWL in harmony with that flat-6 whomping behind you....well it's what Porsche intended the song to be. Darin was right when he said they are a 6-10 if the Supercraps are a 10. Totally liveable.
On the issue of volume: Anyone on the fence between Stage II and III it's case closed. The III's are the no brainer choice, they are not even close to too loud and/or obnoxious. You can quietly roll in Stealth on part throttle when you need to and only if you're foot is in to it will you unleash the snarl. Even then, it's perfectly reasonable. This may sound like blasphemy but truth is my car sounds exactly what my 996's (both had factory PSE) sounded like with the valve open full time. Awesome and never overbearing. Sorry Stage I and II's guys, I'm sure your cars sound no less awesome. I'm only addressing those that think they want the III's but are worried they will be too lound. If you think you want Stage III...you want Stage III.
Thanks Darin
02-16-2010 | 02:34 PM
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From: Birmingham, AL
I think the Stage IIs are a good volume...about 15% louder than my ex-RSRs...actually maybe more like 10% louder...but the frequency of the sound (higher) seems to "travel" more thean the lower pitched RSRs. I wouldn't want any more loudness than the Stage IIs.
