Victory Motorcars Texas
12-25-2009, 11:55 AM
#16
Race Director
I would generally try to avoid buying from them for the known reasons but if they have a car that you are desperately looking for I would do my homework very diligently to understand history and real condition of the car. This would include a PPI at Mike Callas in Sealy.
Here are some specific items to look for based on experience:
- Do not believe anything that sales people tell you. They are THE "typical" used car dealer and with their reputation have nothing to loose.
- He has very good detailers to make the car look as good as possible (maybe better than it really is compared to similar cars). Check if the seats are re-dyed (they look so great on the photos ...).
- I would only buy after applying the paint meter
- Check if the service books belong to the specific car
Again, risk management is very important to make sure that you get what you pay for.
Here are some specific items to look for based on experience:
- Do not believe anything that sales people tell you. They are THE "typical" used car dealer and with their reputation have nothing to loose.
- He has very good detailers to make the car look as good as possible (maybe better than it really is compared to similar cars). Check if the seats are re-dyed (they look so great on the photos ...).
- I would only buy after applying the paint meter
- Check if the service books belong to the specific car
Again, risk management is very important to make sure that you get what you pay for.
I asked about a PPI at Callas, after trying to steer me to his guy for a PPI he agreed I could take the car to Callas but since Callas was over 70 mi. away (it's not, they're 49 mi. away) I would have to have the car flat bedded to and from Callas' and would have to pay for the towing.
Next he wanted to fax me a contract (this after talking w/ him for less than 5 min) and when I said I wasn't ready for the contract he lost all interest in continuing our (short) conversation.
Also for someone who claims to be a 30+ yr. "Porsche air-cooled Expert" you would think he would know how to spell Aventurine (he spells it with a "d" in ALL his ads).
I bought my car elsewhere. The only way I would deal with him is if I was local and able to monitor the entire process.
I would like to take a look at the Blue/Gray one he has now though but I don't know if it would be worth the headache of dealing with him.
12-25-2009, 04:31 PM
#17
Yes, Robert is an interesting character. He always wants to steer you to one of the shops close to his business for PPI. I like a little more 'independence' and I know that I get this opinion from Mike Callas. If they car is really excellent as stated there is nothing to fear when a 'real 30+ yr expert like Mike looks at it. Again, even with me being local, I walked away after my first test drive which ended with an unprofessional ugly discussion about heavy metal deposits I found in the oil. He claimed that is is normal (maybe for his cars ...)
12-25-2009, 05:05 PM
#18
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Victory
Gentlemen,
Thank you for your feedback, I greatly appricate it. From what I continue to learn about this delicate process, I will take my time with choosing my bride and who I do business with.
Before I pull the trigger, I will post details of my find and go from there.
Merry Christmas
Thank you for your feedback, I greatly appricate it. From what I continue to learn about this delicate process, I will take my time with choosing my bride and who I do business with.
Before I pull the trigger, I will post details of my find and go from there.
Merry Christmas
12-25-2009, 06:05 PM
#19
Here we go again. Used cars Pontiac or Porsche or Plymouth are still used cars. Some will be good some awful. Use your head and not just heart. I have read some disturbing things on here about them, but I personally owned an '82 Targa that they had sold to its previous owner and it was a fantastic car with full and legitimate documentation from new...I may have just been lucky, but you never know until you check for yourself.
12-25-2009, 09:52 PM
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12-26-2009, 12:44 AM
#23
Race Car
I would generally try to avoid buying from them for the known reasons but if they have a car that you are desperately looking for I would do my homework very diligently to understand history and real condition of the car. This would include a PPI at Mike Callas in Sealy.
Here are some specific items to look for based on experience:
- Do not believe anything that sales people tell you. They are THE "typical" used car dealer and with their reputation have nothing to loose.
- He has very good detailers to make the car look as good as possible (maybe better than it really is compared to similar cars). Check if the seats are re-dyed (they look so great on the photos ...).
- I would only buy after applying the paint meter
- Check if the service books belong to the specific car
Again, risk management is very important to make sure that you get what you pay for.
Here are some specific items to look for based on experience:
- Do not believe anything that sales people tell you. They are THE "typical" used car dealer and with their reputation have nothing to loose.
- He has very good detailers to make the car look as good as possible (maybe better than it really is compared to similar cars). Check if the seats are re-dyed (they look so great on the photos ...).
- I would only buy after applying the paint meter
- Check if the service books belong to the specific car
Again, risk management is very important to make sure that you get what you pay for.
12-26-2009, 05:48 AM
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Sorry JDHertz, my heart is set on a 993. The 2010 MTS 1200 Sport is sick tho....
BEHOLD!
BEHOLD!
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12-26-2009, 06:00 AM
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OMnRC51, in case its not blindinly obvious, irrespective of where you get a car from (and victory shouldn't be on your shortlist) make sure you get a PPI from a shop the board reccomends.
Will possibly save you hassle further down the line, and often the expense of the PPI is covered by maintentance items you can negociate upfront.
GL
Will possibly save you hassle further down the line, and often the expense of the PPI is covered by maintentance items you can negociate upfront.
GL
12-26-2009, 06:17 AM
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PPashley, a PPI will be a mandatory condition with my purchase. I have a lead on a canidate and one I find a reputable Porsche wrench in the sellers area, I will make arrangements.
01-03-2011, 01:32 PM
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NEVER BUY FROM VICTORYMOTORCARS UNLESS YOU ARE TECHNICAL EXPERT AND HAVE CHECKED THE CAR THOROUGHLY FOR MANY, MANY HOURS ...
I bought a 993 from Mr. Neal, Victorymotorcars, last year and he did not tell me on purpose that the gearbox was already fixed in the past and that an additive gearbox oil was filled in order to reduce the noice (furthermore, one could see with the naked eye that the screws of the gearbox were already opend in the past - which must have been known by Victorymotorcars as the car had even been serviced by the company for many years).
In the end the gearbox had to undergo a thorough overhaul which caused an invoice of almost USD 7k.
Victorymotorcars must have been aware of the damage of the gearbox, however, sold the car without mentioning this problem - a lawyer uses the term "willful deception" for this.
Mr. Neal refused to reimbursement of any costs ("no warranty").
Buy anywhere - but not at Victorymotorcars! It cannot get worse!
Regards from Austria,
Bernhard
I bought a 993 from Mr. Neal, Victorymotorcars, last year and he did not tell me on purpose that the gearbox was already fixed in the past and that an additive gearbox oil was filled in order to reduce the noice (furthermore, one could see with the naked eye that the screws of the gearbox were already opend in the past - which must have been known by Victorymotorcars as the car had even been serviced by the company for many years).
In the end the gearbox had to undergo a thorough overhaul which caused an invoice of almost USD 7k.
Victorymotorcars must have been aware of the damage of the gearbox, however, sold the car without mentioning this problem - a lawyer uses the term "willful deception" for this.
Mr. Neal refused to reimbursement of any costs ("no warranty").
Buy anywhere - but not at Victorymotorcars! It cannot get worse!
Regards from Austria,
Bernhard
01-03-2011, 01:43 PM
#28
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Every car I have called on has always just been sold the day before. I always continue to see the same car I was interested in listed for another 8 weeks on eBay and still showing on his website. I doubt his inventory is a great as listed on his website.
01-03-2011, 02:13 PM
#29
This is a known fact that his offerings do not match the inventory. But he has always a car "that is even better".
01-03-2011, 02:26 PM
#30
Race Director
Ah, what a way to start the new year.....a VMC thread (rehash).
Mr. Bernhard from Austria, I am truly sorry you found out the hard way about them, not all us Yanks work the way they do though. Best of luck getting a resolution from them.
Mr. Bernhard from Austria, I am truly sorry you found out the hard way about them, not all us Yanks work the way they do though. Best of luck getting a resolution from them.