hoggel

Thread hijack ...

Reading that article got me thinking along those lines again. I've done projects more involved than that.

I'm 'sorta' watching for a 6 speed cab at the right price. I'd swap the trans and sell the cab with the tip for $6 to $8k less (full disclosure of course)? Or I might be able to convince my wife to keep the cab and sell her Boxster. I'd just have to pay for new wear items, new clutch/LWF, short shift, ... .

I know, I know, it would likely cost less to sell my car as is and buy a 6 speed. But ownership of a Porsche is rarely about the most cost effective solution.

Canyon56

imho, an auto box on an E55 is a totally different sort of animal than a tip on a 993. I wouldn't compare your past experience with the E55 to a 993.

Patience is a virtue. I find that when I'm NOT looking for a car, the right one comes along. Maybe stop thinking about buying one and let it come to you

As has been already pointed out, there is no real shortage in 993s. Take your time, because during that time you will also learn more about the 993, and understood a lot more about your own personal needs and desires.

TRINITONY

Nah...I have the older E55, the feel is plenty different. The torque makes all the difference, you have to wind up the 993. In the E it's always on.

B-Line

Not if you want a manual it's not..

Most of us spent months and months looking for the right car.. Be patient.

UserA

Don't forget that your friends will make fun of you behind your back if you buy a Tip. That isn't a joke.

TRINITONY

After looking at your list ^....Turbo or nothing.....

csertich

Don't let desperation force you into buying a tip if that is not what you started out looking for. Desperation is dangerous when spending this kind of money.
chuck

speedy88

That's was I was thinking before (flew down to San Diego this summer to pick one up but was very disappointed), but since then I purchased another home and in the middle of remodeling. So, a 993 C2S or C4S will be just fine! I must be getting old, fast and speed is not on the top of my list anymore. Just looking for something original, rare and with timeless lines. I guess with some of the cars out there, 0-60MPH in low 4 seconds doesn't seem quick enough! 0-60 in 3.3-3.4 seconds for GTR, Z06/ZR1, and maybe a tweaked 993 turbo.

Please PM or email me if you see a nice, original C2S or C4S with a factory aero kit and sport seats. Hoping to pay in the high 30s to 40s for one. Mileage is not a huge item if service records are up to date.

Thanks.

tctung

IMHO, Tip is better than manual if used as daily drive. Also, with a Tip you can learn trail braking (left foot braking) and use it on mountain roads.

Wilder

Now you're talkin'. I would skip the C4S and go straight to a C2S. Your price range is spot-on but I would look as high as high $40s, especially if you're set on the Aero Kit and sports seats (sought after and expensive options). The hunt is half the fun.

porschemikeandnancy

No one really answered your original question. The SMG transmissions on modern cars is essentially a manual transmission with an electronic clutch. There is no clutch pedal to change gears. Insead, paddle levers on the steering wheel do the gear changes. The time for a gear change varies a whole lot. On current F1 cars, I think I recall reading gear changes are done in approx .1 sec. On my 993 with Tip, it takes more like 1 second. The best of the current "road car SMG's" probably take .3 seconds, almost as fast as you can shift a manual. I think the current 997 Turbo with its current implementation of the Tiptronic (or maybe it's now an SMG) is faster then the manual (to 60 mph) because the SMG/Tip can shift faster than you can manually.

The other point is when you come to stop, if the SMG does not have a torque converter, then it has to declutch in order to have the engine run while the car is at a stop.

Modern SMG's also "blip" the throttle to match the engine speed when you select a lower gear. And it matches the engine speed "exactly" so there is no lurch (either back or forward) when the lower gear is engaged.

I can tell you driving around greater Seattle, the Tip makes the car much more enjoyable than with a manual. I've owned both types of cars in Seattle and now having owned a 993/Tip, I would never go back to a manual for everyday use.

Don't let the folks here assault your manhood if you decide to buy a Tip. Current F1 drivers only use SMG transmissions. And they are definately not wimps. It's simply a matter of what makes you faster.

Regarding the "delay" in a 993 Tip in shifting, the 1 second it takes to shift up (for some reason, I find downshifts are much faster) is something you ajust to within a few shifts. On downshifting, I find I have to "blip" the throttle to match engine speed to the lower gear. You can let the transmission do it for you, but I like to do it manually.

If you search on transmissions problems on, for example, the PCA national web site, you will find many references to the Tip being "rock solid". Lots of comments from independent mechanics who post there such as: "I've never had one go bad".

TRINITONY

hmmm..you make me want to go drive my car...it's been over a month...

mongrelcat

It's actually 25ms, or .025 sec. But it should be pretty fast considering the gearbox on an F1 car runs $185K.

F350Lawman

My buddy bought one against advice, got bored and had a bitch reselling due to the Tip. Just say no

Dan V

You'll never be the next Hans Stuck if you don't have a clutch pedal in your 993. Do you really want to go through life not being Hans Stuck? Seriously...