Notices
993 Forum 1995-1998
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Custom diagnostics port and dual-chip for an early 993 engine conversion

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-23-2008 | 09:34 PM
  #1  
PCar SBA's Avatar
PCar SBA
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 135
Likes: 2
From: Santa Barbara, CA
Default Custom diagnostics port and dual-chip for an early 993 engine conversion

Here is my latest creation: A custom diagnostics port based on a LEMO 7-pin connector installed into an early 993 DME. The engine is installed in a 74 coupe. With the diagnostics port I can hook up my Hammer or PST2 to check the DME just like on a normal 993. This port came in very handy for the second task: Validating a chip with different map settings.



I installed a dual-chip for this car. Both map sets have fixes to prevent the engine from stalling with its light-weight flywheel. The standard map settings assume 91 octane pump gas while the track setting can take full advantage of higher octane race gas.

The Porsche diagnostics testers have a function to count the number of knocks during a test drive cycle. During spirited test-driving with the engine hot and using pump gas we observed 5 knocks during 10.000 ignition events on the stock setting and 55 knocks during 10.000 ignition events on the performance setting. This nicely demonstrates a couple of things:

- the timing retard nicely keeps knocks in check even with gas that is not meeting requirements
- mild chipping does result in performance gains that can be fully realized with higher octane gas available at the track

Since the only difference between the two chips are the map contents switching can be done while the engine is running. So if you need the extra power you simply reach under the drivers seat and flip the switch while there is not reason to worry during every-day driving.

Cheers,
Ingo
Old 07-24-2008 | 03:52 AM
  #2  
993_Pilot's Avatar
993_Pilot
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,606
Likes: 1
From: somewhere on a twisty road...
Default

Very Nice! For your next trick, design a plug and play - dual chip setup for the 993 so we can take advantage it !!! I'll even be the first to chime in on the discounted group buy for Rennlist members!
Old 07-24-2008 | 10:57 AM
  #3  
TheOtherEric's Avatar
TheOtherEric
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 12,065
Likes: 36
From: Chicago
Default

WOW! If you ever decide to make this commercially available, you'll have some takers. Can you tell us a little about how you programmed your chips? AFAIK there's only one person who can program a Motronic chip... you'd be person #2.

A lot of us would love to hear your fix for the LWFW stalling, but it sounds like you may be keeping that to yourself. I hope I'm wrong. You'd be the first to solve that.
Old 07-24-2008 | 11:35 AM
  #4  
AX993's Avatar
AX993
Pro
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 573
Likes: 22
From: Deep South
Default

The real trick would be a set-up for the '96 993's with ,IIRC, the soldered in chip ! Hint Hint !!!
Old 07-24-2008 | 11:40 AM
  #5  
Lorenfb's Avatar
Lorenfb
Race Car
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 4,045
Likes: 61
From: SoCal
Default

"A lot of us would love to hear your fix for the LWFW stalling"

This has been done previously by a Rennlist member (Jason A) and mostly likely copied
by many. Just do a Rennlist search.

"So if you need the extra power you simply reach under the drivers seat and flip
the switch while there is not reason to worry during every-day driving."

Extra Power? - As most 993 owners now know, i.e. as has been posted here on Rennlist,
very marginal at best results are obtained from "pushing" the timing ("performance" chips) on the 993.

"AFAIK there's only one person who can program a Motronic chip... you'd be person #2."

Hardly! There are MANY out there, which has been the case for over 10 years.
Old 07-24-2008 | 03:54 PM
  #6  
TheOtherEric's Avatar
TheOtherEric
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 12,065
Likes: 36
From: Chicago
Default

Originally Posted by Lorenfb
"A lot of us would love to hear your fix for the LWFW stalling"

This has been done previously by a Rennlist member (Jason A) and mostly likely copied
by many. Just do a Rennlist search...
I know he considered it, but AFAIK it never materialized. I think he was considering fooling the ECU into thinking the heater was running or maybe he had other ideas.

Originally Posted by Lorenfb
..."AFAIK there's only one person who can program a Motronic chip... you'd be person #2."

Hardly! There are MANY out there, which has been the case for over 10 years.
I'm obviously referring to CUSTOM tuning, not the big guys like GIAC etc. Let's say I want a race-fuel map, or to supercharge/turbocharge my car with the factory ecu. If you know anyone who can custom write a chip, I'm all ears.
Old 07-24-2008 | 04:27 PM
  #7  
chris walrod's Avatar
chris walrod
Guru
Lifetime Rennlist
Member


Rennlist Small
Business Sponsor

 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 15,748
Likes: 102
From: yorba linda, ca
Default

Very nifty solution but I HATE Lemo's Autosport connectors, all the way
Old 07-24-2008 | 11:04 PM
  #8  
Lorenfb's Avatar
Lorenfb
Race Car
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 4,045
Likes: 61
From: SoCal
Default

"it never materialized"

Actually, Jason was providing chips to those that were Rennlist members
and emailed him.

"I'm obviously referring to CUSTOM tuning,"

Right! There're WIN apps out there that will EASILY do that.
It's hardly difficult for those that have basic knowledge of engine theory
and PC software/hardware, e.g. EPROM programmers/emulators.
Those who promote/comment/sell on Porsche websites give the impression
that "performance" chip tweaking is some super-exotic-highly-technical
special science, i.e. a real joke. You could easily train a H.S. auto shop
student to do it in a couple of hours.

"If you know anyone who can custom write a chip"

It's far from "writing" a chip in the true technical aspect, it's just
a very simple matter of changing cell values in a matrix which
takes a minute or two. The time consuming part is the evaluation
of the change which, again, any H.S. auto shop student can easily
be taught to do, once the output data (torque/AFR) are targeted.
Old 07-25-2008 | 12:32 AM
  #9  
PCar SBA's Avatar
PCar SBA
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 135
Likes: 2
From: Santa Barbara, CA
Default

Loren, since you are one of "...Those who promote/comment/sell on Porsche websites..." are you saying your skills are that of "...any H.S. auto shop student..."

BTW, aren't you selling performance chips...?



Quick Reply: Custom diagnostics port and dual-chip for an early 993 engine conversion



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 08:32 PM.