964 / 993 Control Arm Bushings
#271
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Chris - can I use the front bushings I bought from you and the rears from Elephant? I was thinking since I got the fronts I should replace the rears even though mine seem okay. Any advice?
#272
Sure, you are already using them w/ your existing rear bushes, the Elephants are just newer and optionally stiffer as on the RS
#273
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Chris- Had the same issue on mine with the shimmy at 55. I noticed it on a recent test drive of a 98 26k car as well. It seems this OEM bushing deteriorates over time regardless of use. I had mine replaced with new OEM arms and all is well again. I am still pondering sending my originals to you for a stiffer bushing. Do you have the OE harder (sport) rubber ones as well as the p/u bushings? Or are they one in the same part?
#274
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Hi
I just wanted to say to those of you who think that the rear control arm bushes may have deteriorated in the same way that the fronts have that mine were fine after 185k miles. I changed them anyway because I wanted the harder RS spec bushes on there. They are a lot harder than the standard ones but have not affected the ride quality adversely.
Berni
I just wanted to say to those of you who think that the rear control arm bushes may have deteriorated in the same way that the fronts have that mine were fine after 185k miles. I changed them anyway because I wanted the harder RS spec bushes on there. They are a lot harder than the standard ones but have not affected the ride quality adversely.
Berni
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I'm on the elephant racing site, and all the bushings I see are for the front. I have already installed Chris' front bushings, so that fix has already happened. I'm still looking to stiffen up the rear end, and while Tarret toe links helped, I'm looking for something more. Am I missing something on the Elephant site?
#276
I'm on the elephant racing site, and all the bushings I see are for the front. I have already installed Chris' front bushings, so that fix has already happened. I'm still looking to stiffen up the rear end, and while Tarret toe links helped, I'm looking for something more. Am I missing something on the Elephant site?
#277
I hadn't experienced any of the symptons described in earlier threads, but my car had seemed to lose its cornering 'edge'.
I did the test described in the magazine article, prying between the control arm and mount, drivers side was fine but passenger side was mushy with lots of movement.
from up on jack stands, control arms off, shipped to chris and back, reinstalled to test drive took about a week.
I used the time to finally replace my oil fan resistor, paint the lug nuts and change the fuel filter.
the difference is amazing, even my winter tires feel more connected to the road.
my car has 47k miles on it, so the rubber bushings didn't wear out from use, they just got old.
a highly recommended improvement.
plus my control arms came back very clean, sand/bead blasted or something to make them look brand new.
thanks chris for developing this fix/improvement.
I did the test described in the magazine article, prying between the control arm and mount, drivers side was fine but passenger side was mushy with lots of movement.
from up on jack stands, control arms off, shipped to chris and back, reinstalled to test drive took about a week.
I used the time to finally replace my oil fan resistor, paint the lug nuts and change the fuel filter.
the difference is amazing, even my winter tires feel more connected to the road.
my car has 47k miles on it, so the rubber bushings didn't wear out from use, they just got old.
a highly recommended improvement.
plus my control arms came back very clean, sand/bead blasted or something to make them look brand new.
thanks chris for developing this fix/improvement.
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#281
Please help me decide on bushings
Please help me decide on bushings! After extensive searching, speaking with suppliers and reading every post I could find about bushings, I still can't decide which ones to use? My car is for 'fun' and occasional track days (mostly on the Nürburgring) so daily comfort is not a priority, and the roads in Germany (where I live) are very good. However, I do need to drive to tracks which are as far as 400kms away. I have KW V3 struts and will be also installing RS sway bars. I have narrowed my choices down to these four options...
1. ERP 'sport' hardness rubber
2. Walrod PU (According to Gert Carnewal in Belgium his exchange arms use these bushings?) http://www.carnewal-europe.com/main.htm
3. Powerflex PU (very popular in EU). These have stainless steel sleeves. http://www.powerflex.co.uk/products/...%29-125/1.html
4. Stock rubber, refurbished arms: http://www.hartech.org/parts.html
Also, should I do the whole car (front and back) at once or can I just do the front wishbones (A-arms) now and the rear next year? How will the car handle if I have new PU upfront and old rubber in the back?
1. ERP 'sport' hardness rubber
2. Walrod PU (According to Gert Carnewal in Belgium his exchange arms use these bushings?) http://www.carnewal-europe.com/main.htm
3. Powerflex PU (very popular in EU). These have stainless steel sleeves. http://www.powerflex.co.uk/products/...%29-125/1.html
4. Stock rubber, refurbished arms: http://www.hartech.org/parts.html
Also, should I do the whole car (front and back) at once or can I just do the front wishbones (A-arms) now and the rear next year? How will the car handle if I have new PU upfront and old rubber in the back?
#282
I changed the bushing with all the wishbone attached OE.....fu..k!
they are so expansive
Chris,Is there any chance,for the future,to get your DIY instruction?Do you ship them to Italy?
I hope they'll last at least 4 years!!!!!
tx in advance
they are so expansive
Chris,Is there any chance,for the future,to get your DIY instruction?Do you ship them to Italy?
I hope they'll last at least 4 years!!!!!
tx in advance
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Alex,
Just made a decision on the same dilemma and chose the Walrod set up as it is both firm and grooved to hold the grease in longer. I did not see any grooves on the Powerflex, The ERP are three times the price and OEM is not an option worth revisiting.
Just made a decision on the same dilemma and chose the Walrod set up as it is both firm and grooved to hold the grease in longer. I did not see any grooves on the Powerflex, The ERP are three times the price and OEM is not an option worth revisiting.
#285
Hi LAT -thanks for the advice... btw, I'm also Canadian (but living in Germany now).
The Powerflex don't have grooves (AFAIK) but they due use steel sleeves which is supposed to make a difference.
Did you change all your bushings at the same time?
The Powerflex don't have grooves (AFAIK) but they due use steel sleeves which is supposed to make a difference.
Did you change all your bushings at the same time?