As far as I know, lifting a front wheel is not the way to show how good your suspension is, it is a gauge of how soft your suspension is set up and how much twist your chassis exhibits under load.

My car running the suspension currently installed normally does not lift the fronts no matter how hard & deep I drive it into corners, it may be a byproduct of the 21mm front sway set full stiff and the 17mm rear on full soft.

The photo shows my car under an uber serious, off camber uphill cornering load and the inside front is still touching the ground on the inside tread.

I'm not saying your cars are set up incorrectly, they're just different than mine.

ZP44

 

This is a pic of yours truly going through Turn 10 at Laguna Seca...one of my finer moments in life!



Try this on for size!!!!

And yes, the 235/45/17 RA-1 tires work great on a 7" Cup Wheel, and the 275/40/17 is a winner on the 9" rear wheel!

ZP 44 writes, "As far as I know, lifting a front wheel is not the way to show how good your suspension is, it is a gauge of how soft your suspension is set up and how much twist your chassis exhibits under load."

Did I mention how good my suspension is? If I did I never intended to. My suspension is a compromise all the way. The springs are too soft, the chassis too flexible because I don't have a full cage...the compromise comes because I still want to drive the car on the street from time to time for the fun of it. If it were a race car, street driving would be a rear chore.

Generally, I leave the front sway bars alone. They are a pain in the butt to get to compared to the rear. Of the available 5 point settings, the fronts are set on 2, toward the soft end, 3 being in the middle.

I play with the rear bars, full stiff if I want to throw the tail around on a tight course, middle to full soft for high speed road courses.

In conclusion, we are certainly blessed to have these beautiful cars and the resources to track them.

 

Zombie,

Funny you mention that. My car is set up to be fairly stiff at the moment. I've gone through a bunch of pictures and can never seem to find one where I lift a wheel. I think I may be getting some help from that lead weight in the right seat. ;-)




Front shock is set at 3 out of 6. Rear shock is 5 out of 6. Front sway is 1 away from full soft (for rotation), rear is at full stiff (RS sways), strut bar, rollbar, gutted. I think I need a little more spring though. Running 500 in front and 700 in rear.

 

Great shots Martin thanks for posting!....and with an old Mind Over banner nice.

 

Martin, you need my cup car suspension in my garage, forget the Cayman, go faster and put that front tire down

 

That's truly a great shot Martin and one of my favorite places to set up a uber late breaking pass into 11 always hoping I didn't get out drag raced into one....LOL....I always wanted more HP there for some reason.....

And you are right my Porsche friend, we are truly blessed to have what we have and the opportunity and just enough talent to drive them the way they were meant to be driven.

ZP44

 

Thanks guys. The best thread I've read on here yet.

Some of us can only dream of turn 10 at Laguna Seca. TRULY BLESSED!
Please, please more pics and text.

 

I'm biased, but I like this one ...

 

given equal driver, cayman S will be faster, stock to stock.
i cannot say much about durability. i killed quite a few cayman s in one year.

 

if you can find same sizes in R888, go with those.
R888 is noticeably better than RA1, and i was a die hard RA1.

 

My next tire order will be R 888 tires....I have heard that they will have more tires in 17" in early 08!

 

Great pics Martin ... and the rest of you too.

Scott

 

Keep in mind, the rear sway bars were at full soft...had the fronts been at full soft and the rears at full stiff, maybe that wheel would be in the ground....but if not, then 993 RSR suspension with 600 Lb + springs would cure the lift!

And Jordon, Mind Over Motorsports (MOM) was a great ride while it lasted. I had some nice work done on my car at MOM. Thanks for the great service...and that Timmie, what a guy, we'll miss him!

 

Cayman S's are my target car on the track. In a non-PCA event its the car that is closest to mine I think.
But even in stock trim they are superior to suspension modified 964/993 IMO. I drove one at Barber and its a sweet car- but not for me obviously. If you are faster than one its because of the drivers.

BTW I thought the R888 was to replace the RA-1's but as many prefer the RA-1, Toyo are keeping them (the RA's) around?

 

Sometimes lifting an inside wheel is a result of countersteering. Countersteering, due to caster, does present a jacking effect at the outside wheel [to the corner] adding spring rate which makes the inside front corner that much lighter.

In the case of Martin's image, he is countersteering.

Exaserbating the problem is the fact that a lot of corners have negative camber that will show a wheel off the ground when the car is relatively flat anyways.