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Old 04-30-2007, 04:28 PM
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I have owned both beyond the 100K mile mark. Going by the door thunk, lack of rattles, and reliability with regular maintenance, they are equal.
Old 04-30-2007, 04:45 PM
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Colin said it best,--anyone can take a 20-year old car and abuse it to the point that you will question the quality in it. I saw a 1982 car yesterday that was horribly maintained and seemed like a piece of junk, yet I've had similar vintage cars that I took care of that were holding up much better. No matter what the age of a 911, Carrera, what have you, the owner determines the future quality. They have all started ahead of the pack in initial quality, however.
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Originally Posted by mrsullivan
If you watch this video in it's entirety, you will have no doubt that the 993 is amongst the highest quality 911s ever built...

http://coochas.com/porsche/Resources...0Evolution.wmv
First time I've seen that. Just got the warm+fuzzies... really looking forward to the three hour drive I have tomorrow!!!
Old 04-30-2007, 07:52 PM
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Great video, captures the single-minded passion designed into these cars.
Old 04-30-2007, 08:36 PM
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of all the 993-related videos out there, it is by far my favorite
Old 04-30-2007, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgy01
Colin said it best,--anyone can take a 20-year old car and abuse it to the point that you will question the quality in it. I saw a 1982 car yesterday that was horribly maintained and seemed like a piece of junk, yet I've had similar vintage cars that I took care of that were holding up much better. No matter what the age of a 911, Carrera, what have you, the owner determines the future quality. They have all started ahead of the pack in initial quality, however.
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Old 05-01-2007, 12:01 AM
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You guys haven't seen the 964 and 993s going down the same production line?
Old 05-01-2007, 12:55 AM
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uh oh, tread lightly Tex!
Old 05-01-2007, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsullivan
If you watch this video in it's entirety, you will have no doubt that the 993 is amongst the highest quality 911s ever built...

http://coochas.com/porsche/Resources...0Evolution.wmv
What an awesome vid!!! Thanks for posting.

I've owned 3 Carreras (see signature) and there is no doubt that the 993 is an improvement in build quality over its predecessors.

Quoting Professor Porsche: "Change is easy, to improve is difficult". The 993 is over 30 years of improvement before improvement seized and change took place.
Old 05-01-2007, 09:16 AM
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i honestly like all porsches models a lot ...
i have friends with 996, 997, 930 ...
the 993 is probably the nicest bodywork desing ...
a friend of mine with a pristine 996 say the 993 is as funny to drive as a gokart !! and its quality is outstanding .... not the faster, not the more stable, not the more electronic-gizmo driven, but an overall great desing ...
Old 05-01-2007, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
When Porsche brought in the Japanese to streamline their production methods for the 993 model they eliminated the German engineering and exacting approach to quality out of the equation.
I thought I read an article a while back that said Porsche brought the Japanese in to streamline the production on the Boxter???
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Originally Posted by Blue Ocean
I thought I read an article a while back that said Porsche brought the Japanese in to streamline the production on the Boxter???
No actually it was to reduce costs on the 911 line as well. Production of the 964 ended December of 1993. With production of the 993 not beginning until late 1994. Only a few 1994 993's were made for the ROW market and Porsche had to redesign and change over the entire production line not to mention retrain all their employees which were very reluctant to change. There is a thread on the 928 forum which shows how the 911's and 928's were built side by side mostly by hand as they traveled around a U shaped line. I do not recall actual numbers but the 964's were pumped out something like 9 cars per day as where the 993's were produced at something like 5 every hour.
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here is the article from autoweek december 1996:
http://69.12.171.155/porsche_recovery.pdf

I do not recall actual numbers but the 964's were pumped out something like 9 cars per day as where the 993's were produced at something like 5 every hour.
i'm not sure about that math. the 993 model run went from late 94 to late 97 (or possibly into 1998). if they were producing 5 cars per hour, there should have been a lot more 993s manufactured in those 4 (1/2) years, right?

also, if you believe the article to which i have linked (above), the 9 days to build a 964 were largely spent correcting defects introduced in the manufacturing process...the reduced manufacturing time for the 993 (again, according to the article) is not a reflection of lesser quality, but rather of increased efficiency and superior quality.
Old 05-01-2007, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mborkow
here is the article from autoweek december 1996:
http://69.12.171.155/porsche_recovery.pdf


i'm not sure about that math. the 993 model run went from late 94 to late 97 (or possibly into 1998). if they were producing 5 cars per hour, there should have been a lot more 993s manufactured in those 4 (1/2) years, right?

also, if you believe the article to which i have linked (above), the 9 days to build a 964 were largely spent correcting defects introduced in the manufacturing process...the reduced manufacturing time for the 993 (again, according to the article) is not a reflection of lesser quality, but rather of increased efficiency and superior quality.
Agreed. Actually the number should be even higher as the Porsche started building 993s in early 94.
Old 05-01-2007, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
I do not recall actual numbers but the 964's were pumped out something like 9 cars per day as where the 993's were produced at something like 5 every hour.
According to the article, looks like the hours to build a 911 was cut in half. 120 labor hours vs an initial 72 hours with a planned 62 hours. Looks like they started the process on the last production year of the 964. No idea what that translates to in terms of units per day.

Now, where's that picture of a 993 going down the same production line as an NSX?

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