Decoding a CARFAX report ? ? ?
03-04-2007, 08:38 AM
#1
Decoding a CARFAX report ? ? ?
Hi Guys,
Ya all know I'm still seeking out my future life companion for daily drives.
One looks good, but there is something strange about its CARFAX report; can you help me decode it ?
10/23/1998 21,860
Dealer Inventory Huntington Station, NY Vehicle offered for sale
10/28/1998 21,883 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced Suspension system serviced
04/01/1999 21,971
Auto Auction Eastern Region Vehicle sold
11/16/2006 40,943
Auto Auction Sold at auction in Pennsylvania
Listed as a dealer vehicle
12/06/2006 41,108
Auto Auction Sold at auction in Florida
Listed as a dealer vehicle
What has got me wondering is:
- Would a dealer service a C2 993's suspension at 21k miles ?!?
- What do repeat auction sales mean (hidden accident history?)
TIA for helping me DECODE.
Vic
Ya all know I'm still seeking out my future life companion for daily drives.
One looks good, but there is something strange about its CARFAX report; can you help me decode it ?
10/23/1998 21,860
Dealer Inventory Huntington Station, NY Vehicle offered for sale
10/28/1998 21,883 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced Suspension system serviced
04/01/1999 21,971
Auto Auction Eastern Region Vehicle sold
11/16/2006 40,943
Auto Auction Sold at auction in Pennsylvania
Listed as a dealer vehicle
12/06/2006 41,108
Auto Auction Sold at auction in Florida
Listed as a dealer vehicle
What has got me wondering is:
- Would a dealer service a C2 993's suspension at 21k miles ?!?
- What do repeat auction sales mean (hidden accident history?)
TIA for helping me DECODE.
Vic
03-04-2007, 09:10 AM
#2
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Vic,
This is how I decoded.
A dealer in NY had a 993 for sale, and probably during a test drive the potential customer complaint that something is wrong with the suspension, so the dealer had it repaired. It is common to have 993 standard (Monroe) shocks fail at 20k miles. My shocks failed at 5k miles.
But this is the part that I am not sure about.
04/01/1999 21,971
Auto Auction Eastern Region Vehicle sold
11/16/2006 40,943
Auto Auction Sold at auction in Pennsylvania
Listed as a dealer vehicle
Who purchased the car on 4/1? Another dealer? Becasue it is showing it was sold on 11/16 as a dealer vehicle. So another dealer bought it and put 20k miles on the car? I guess it is possible that another dealer exchange another car for this 993, dealerships to that all the time. And the car was used as a dealer car (For managers or sales person of the month?) And then sold at auctions again....
Here is my conclusion, that this most likely was a customer buy back vehicle (A lemon) So the dealer probably couldn't sell this car to another end user, so they used it as a dealer vehicle but after so many auctions and change of hands somewhere the limitation was lost.....
This is how I decoded.
A dealer in NY had a 993 for sale, and probably during a test drive the potential customer complaint that something is wrong with the suspension, so the dealer had it repaired. It is common to have 993 standard (Monroe) shocks fail at 20k miles. My shocks failed at 5k miles.
But this is the part that I am not sure about.
04/01/1999 21,971
Auto Auction Eastern Region Vehicle sold
11/16/2006 40,943
Auto Auction Sold at auction in Pennsylvania
Listed as a dealer vehicle
Who purchased the car on 4/1? Another dealer? Becasue it is showing it was sold on 11/16 as a dealer vehicle. So another dealer bought it and put 20k miles on the car? I guess it is possible that another dealer exchange another car for this 993, dealerships to that all the time. And the car was used as a dealer car (For managers or sales person of the month?) And then sold at auctions again....
Here is my conclusion, that this most likely was a customer buy back vehicle (A lemon) So the dealer probably couldn't sell this car to another end user, so they used it as a dealer vehicle but after so many auctions and change of hands somewhere the limitation was lost.....
03-04-2007, 09:39 AM
#3
Hiya Robin!
Thanks for leaning over the puzzle. Since my posting was ambiguous - I didn't want to drown the issue in too many facts - I only posted a few items. Here they are in complete form:
02/15/1995
New Jersey Motor Vehicle Dept. New York, NY
Registered as personal vehicle
02/28/1995 64 New Jersey Motor Vehicle Dept. New York, NY
Title issued or updated First owner reported
01/24/1998 13,771 Inspection Co. New York
Vehicle Inspected Anti-theft device present at the time of inspection
03/02/1998 New York Motor Vehicle Dept. Southampton, NY
Title issued or updated Loan or lien reported
10/23/1998 21,860 Dealer Inventory Huntington Station, NY
Vehicle offered for sale
10/28/1998 21,883 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced Suspension system serviced
04/01/1999 21,971 Auto Auction Eastern Region
Vehicle sold
04/10/1999 21,975 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Deland, FL
Title #76419788 Odometer reading reported for title or registration
05/13/1999 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Deland, FL
Title #76419788 Title issued or updated
New owner reported Loan or lien reported Registered as lease vehicle
01/24/2001 30,720 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Marco Island, FL
Title #0076419788 Odometer reading reported for title or registration
01/26/2001 Service Plan Co.
Service contract issued
01/31/2001 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Marco Island, FL
Title #0076419788 Title issued or updated
03/15/2002 32,000 Inspection Co. New York
Vehicle Inspected Anti-theft device present at the time of inspection
03/27/2002 32,442 New Jersey Motor Vehicle Dept. Westfield, NJ
Title #MA20020860135 Title issued or updated
New owner reported Registered as lease vehicle
09/11/2006 Porsche Cars North America Manufacturer Voluntary Service Action #W301
Voluntary Service Action - Engine wiring harness
11/16/2006 40,943 Auto Auction
Sold at auction in Pennsylvania Listed as a dealer vehicle
12/06/2006 41,108 Auto Auction
Sold at auction in Florida Listed as a dealer vehicle
12/27/2006 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale
It looks like a clean car, but I'm going to have to travel far to see in person, and don't want to throw away all the time and money for nothing.
Does this look like a car with a hidden accident history?
Also, a couple of photos seem to show some paint touch up along the leading edge plus of the driver and passenger doors:
THX
Vic
Thanks for leaning over the puzzle. Since my posting was ambiguous - I didn't want to drown the issue in too many facts - I only posted a few items. Here they are in complete form:
02/15/1995
New Jersey Motor Vehicle Dept. New York, NY
Registered as personal vehicle
02/28/1995 64 New Jersey Motor Vehicle Dept. New York, NY
Title issued or updated First owner reported
01/24/1998 13,771 Inspection Co. New York
Vehicle Inspected Anti-theft device present at the time of inspection
03/02/1998 New York Motor Vehicle Dept. Southampton, NY
Title issued or updated Loan or lien reported
10/23/1998 21,860 Dealer Inventory Huntington Station, NY
Vehicle offered for sale
10/28/1998 21,883 Service Facility
Vehicle serviced Suspension system serviced
04/01/1999 21,971 Auto Auction Eastern Region
Vehicle sold
04/10/1999 21,975 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Deland, FL
Title #76419788 Odometer reading reported for title or registration
05/13/1999 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Deland, FL
Title #76419788 Title issued or updated
New owner reported Loan or lien reported Registered as lease vehicle
01/24/2001 30,720 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Marco Island, FL
Title #0076419788 Odometer reading reported for title or registration
01/26/2001 Service Plan Co.
Service contract issued
01/31/2001 Florida Motor Vehicle Dept. Marco Island, FL
Title #0076419788 Title issued or updated
03/15/2002 32,000 Inspection Co. New York
Vehicle Inspected Anti-theft device present at the time of inspection
03/27/2002 32,442 New Jersey Motor Vehicle Dept. Westfield, NJ
Title #MA20020860135 Title issued or updated
New owner reported Registered as lease vehicle
09/11/2006 Porsche Cars North America Manufacturer Voluntary Service Action #W301
Voluntary Service Action - Engine wiring harness
11/16/2006 40,943 Auto Auction
Sold at auction in Pennsylvania Listed as a dealer vehicle
12/06/2006 41,108 Auto Auction
Sold at auction in Florida Listed as a dealer vehicle
12/27/2006 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale
It looks like a clean car, but I'm going to have to travel far to see in person, and don't want to throw away all the time and money for nothing.
Does this look like a car with a hidden accident history?
Also, a couple of photos seem to show some paint touch up along the leading edge plus of the driver and passenger doors:
THX
Vic
03-04-2007, 09:49 AM
#4
Seared
Rennlist Member
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Crownvic,
That's one hell of a colorful past. But until you get a proper PPI and touch the car yourself, Carfax ramblings do little to tell the full story. I would try to get better photos and even request photos of specific areas around the car before committing to a trip. It could be a great example, but you really need to go over it in person.
Andreas
That's one hell of a colorful past. But until you get a proper PPI and touch the car yourself, Carfax ramblings do little to tell the full story. I would try to get better photos and even request photos of specific areas around the car before committing to a trip. It could be a great example, but you really need to go over it in person.
Andreas
03-04-2007, 09:57 AM
#5
Rennlist
Lifetime Member
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An easy way to tell if a 993 have been wrecked especially from the front. Have them send you pictures of the front of the shock tower where it meets the inside of the fender. Just peel back the carpet and take a picture on either side, post the pictures here. The factory sealant used to join the shock tower and the fender can not be reproduced, so usually if there is a repair you will see a different shaped sealant.
