I failed Suspension 101 miserably
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I've just followed the same path as Bill (NC) on the same chassis as yours, albeit with 64K. The OE Monroes had no leakage, but three had lost their modest gas charge ( compressed shock would not re-extend), and all were unusually soft. It now drives like a Porsche ...
If the M030/H&R springs are not to your taste, the M033 ROW springs with matched monroes or HD's may present a reasonable comprimise.
If the M030/H&R springs are not to your taste, the M033 ROW springs with matched monroes or HD's may present a reasonable comprimise.
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I was OK with the stock set up until I took the car to the track. It was very scary.
The scary might also be apparent at high speeds and hard street (hopefully deserted rural roads) driving.
If you are just cruising you may not notice the flacid suspention or ever need it.
I think the M033 might be the way to go...
Cheers
The scary might also be apparent at high speeds and hard street (hopefully deserted rural roads) driving.
If you are just cruising you may not notice the flacid suspention or ever need it.
I think the M033 might be the way to go...
Cheers
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Originally Posted by CAHRERA
I still don't understand why Porsche used MONROE as the mfg instead of staying with Bilstein.
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Originally Posted by scott watkins
AGC... fwiw, put the ROW 030 system from Gert on my 993c4s (14k miles). Got the ride and look I was after.
#21
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I thought my 50k mile shocks were fine too, until I replaced them and realized how much better the car drove. I replaced mine with Bilstein HDs & H&R springs. It's a pretty stiff ride, but I like it that way (DEs). For just street driving, I'd go with the stock ROW set-up.
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
The regular 964 and the 911s prior came with Boge shocks like the early model 993s. The switch to Monroe was probably a cost-savings measure?
Andreas
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Originally Posted by mborkow
it is posts like that one that make me want to upgrade suspension as well...but i can't fix something that ain't broke...to be completely honest, i was pretty disappointed when my mechanic told me i would never wear out my suspension doing what i do (highway driving usually under 90 mpnh)...maybe after the next 100k miles they'll start to leak ;-)
Following my install, the handling and ride of the car is far better.
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Based on everyones response, I think I will be getting new suspension; the question now is which set up to get
1. I don't track the car
2. It's just a weekend driver
Lastly who should I trust with my car
1. PowerTech (Independent P-car service in NJ)
2. Jack Daniels Porsche (authorized P-car dealership)
1. I don't track the car
2. It's just a weekend driver
Lastly who should I trust with my car
1. PowerTech (Independent P-car service in NJ)
2. Jack Daniels Porsche (authorized P-car dealership)
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Where can I go to upgrade suspension??
'sMy porsche dealership recommended not to change and has not performed the upgrade so I live 1.5 hours north of Boston on the coast of Maine. Can anyone recommend someone reputable to install PSS9's and the alignment(s) that are required afterwards.
Roland
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I'm starting to hear different views or issues about PSS9 as far as not being reliable or it's too much for the street. Can folks comment about it?
I myself don't track my car so I thought PSS9s would be a overkill so I went with the Bilstein HDs and M030 ROW Springs, which I think is a great setup and I can still tryout a DE or Autocross if I ever have the urge to.
I myself don't track my car so I thought PSS9s would be a overkill so I went with the Bilstein HDs and M030 ROW Springs, which I think is a great setup and I can still tryout a DE or Autocross if I ever have the urge to.
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I am way biased as I HAVE PSS9's........yes I have heard the reliability issues.....but wait to see........I have only been to an AutoX this year but next year intend to do the HPDC at Summit and then do DEs.......so the ability to swop back and forwards from road to track set up in under 15 minutes is great ...... apart from that its just fun to play with set ups......my ride height is 25 inches at rear fender and I have 18" wheels.....I have tried a number of settings on the PSS9s and really like 4 all round for everyday but sometimes dial back to 6-7.....I will use 1/2 for track....this flexibility is what I like.....now ask me can if I tell the difference between 4 and 7 and the answer is most of the time no, but in certain conditions and cornering ... sure!!! Going through the same turns on my way to and from work everyday gives me the ref points to be able to set up the 9's differently and then take the bend I am used to .... looking for differneces.......BS911 will know the roads I paly on
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Originally Posted by CAHRERA
I'm starting to hear different views or issues about PSS9 as far as not being reliable or it's too much for the street. Can folks comment about it?
I myself don't track my car so I thought PSS9s would be a overkill so I went with the Bilstein HDs and M030 ROW Springs, which I think is a great setup and I can still tryout a DE or Autocross if I ever have the urge to.
I myself don't track my car so I thought PSS9s would be a overkill so I went with the Bilstein HDs and M030 ROW Springs, which I think is a great setup and I can still tryout a DE or Autocross if I ever have the urge to.
I had PSS-9's for about a year and had one of my ***** start to spin freely, indicating the shock was blown. It was fixed by Bilstein/Steve Weiner under warranty, but that was enough for me to justify getting Motons, which I've been very happy with and, to date, have had no issues at all, other than my own personal challenges with proper compression, rebound and nitrogen settings.
Many others, however, have had zero issues with their PSS-9's. If I were on a stricter budget, I would consider the JIC's.
Your Bilstein HD's are great shocks. If you want to ever make adjustments, you might want to get the RS sways or the less expensive TRG sways.
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AC. I would strongly suggest to change your OEM suspension set up. If not PSS-9 s go with Bilstein HDs with ROW springs... Gert has them. You will be surprised as how your ride will be transformed - even if you don't drive like Mario A. A Toyota Camry with bad/soft suspension parts is unsafe let alone a TT P-car. Porsche made 911s as a true super sports car and that is, I believe, attaracted many to it.
I would go with power tech. they do good work there. Speak with Mike.
George
I would go with power tech. they do good work there. Speak with Mike.
George
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Got the ROW M030 Bilsteins and sways from Gert recently. Love it.
The car drives, and looks, great.
And now that all these professors have instructed you, isn't time you paid your tuition?
Membership is the best 20 bucks you'll ever spend on your car.
Got the ROW M030 Bilsteins and sways from Gert recently. Love it.
The car drives, and looks, great.
And now that all these professors have instructed you, isn't time you paid your tuition?
Membership is the best 20 bucks you'll ever spend on your car.