Ethanol gas additive
04-25-2006, 11:13 PM
#46
Burning Brakes
I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but from what I understand.... making ethanol from corn, soy or whatever is more expensive than making the fuel we now use from oil.
It's just a political ploy to see if we can fork over some coin to those in the agribusiness (not the farmers, tho) and make a new set of rules to govern. The making of gasohol, ethanol or whatever will not bring down the cost of fuel for our Porsches, BMWs or Chevys. It's just placating the public with a "promise to make things better". Like investigating "BIG Oil" for the pain at the pump BS.
There is no shortage of oil in the world.... there is enuf for many hundreds of years. The problem is that most of it is in the hands of Muslim or rogue nations run by extremists that hate the US. Without the oil that they have they would be nothing but a bother. With the oil, they will change the face of the world for the next 500 years..... give or take a few, eh. And, this sux.
It presently costs around $20 to bring a barrel of oil out of the ground and to market. Actually, I believe it to be around $12. BTAIM. The cartels have decided to move the ante up to $70 and above. The US... being politically correct with the world for some stupid liberal reason... has decided to blame the increase in price on India's and China's increased usage. WTF.... did these two nations just ramp up usage in the last couple years?
Ethanol, Bio-Willie Nelson-diesel, fuel cells, hybrid technology and such are just politicians running their lips to get re-elected or make the noon news. If some alcoholic beverage that can be poured into our cars costs more than gasoline, it will cost more at the pump than gas. And, what about the taxes and fees we pay on a gallon o'gas, folks? Here in CT-land it's over $0.80 I believe.
This is all crap. We should TAKE the oil from Iraq... the Arabs think we want it, let's prove them right. Screw the Iraqi fools and just protect the oil that can come outa the sands.... Venezuela has a gallon of gas for $0.12.... Iran is $0.50ish. Netherlands is $6.57 (taxes, I guess). Why is that?
And....finally..... I don't think our 993 cars can run on E85 without some modification. Who's gonna pay for that? And, if it costs a bundle, I wonder what our cars will be worth?
Anyway, don't mind me..... I'm just an angry bastad who had to make his own dinner this evening and had more wine than necessary to spell check this document.
Cheers..............
It's just a political ploy to see if we can fork over some coin to those in the agribusiness (not the farmers, tho) and make a new set of rules to govern. The making of gasohol, ethanol or whatever will not bring down the cost of fuel for our Porsches, BMWs or Chevys. It's just placating the public with a "promise to make things better". Like investigating "BIG Oil" for the pain at the pump BS.
There is no shortage of oil in the world.... there is enuf for many hundreds of years. The problem is that most of it is in the hands of Muslim or rogue nations run by extremists that hate the US. Without the oil that they have they would be nothing but a bother. With the oil, they will change the face of the world for the next 500 years..... give or take a few, eh. And, this sux.
It presently costs around $20 to bring a barrel of oil out of the ground and to market. Actually, I believe it to be around $12. BTAIM. The cartels have decided to move the ante up to $70 and above. The US... being politically correct with the world for some stupid liberal reason... has decided to blame the increase in price on India's and China's increased usage. WTF.... did these two nations just ramp up usage in the last couple years?
Ethanol, Bio-Willie Nelson-diesel, fuel cells, hybrid technology and such are just politicians running their lips to get re-elected or make the noon news. If some alcoholic beverage that can be poured into our cars costs more than gasoline, it will cost more at the pump than gas. And, what about the taxes and fees we pay on a gallon o'gas, folks? Here in CT-land it's over $0.80 I believe.
This is all crap. We should TAKE the oil from Iraq... the Arabs think we want it, let's prove them right. Screw the Iraqi fools and just protect the oil that can come outa the sands.... Venezuela has a gallon of gas for $0.12.... Iran is $0.50ish. Netherlands is $6.57 (taxes, I guess). Why is that?
And....finally..... I don't think our 993 cars can run on E85 without some modification. Who's gonna pay for that? And, if it costs a bundle, I wonder what our cars will be worth?
Anyway, don't mind me..... I'm just an angry bastad who had to make his own dinner this evening and had more wine than necessary to spell check this document.
Cheers..............
04-26-2006, 12:45 AM
#47
Originally Posted by Baggerdude
I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but from what I understand.... making ethanol from corn, soy or whatever is more expensive than making the fuel we now use from oil.
It's just a political ploy to see if we can fork over some coin to those in the agribusiness (not the farmers, tho) and make a new set of rules to govern. The making of gasohol, ethanol or whatever will not bring down the cost of fuel for our Porsches, BMWs or Chevys. It's just placating the public with a "promise to make things better". Like investigating "BIG Oil" for the pain at the pump BS.
There is no shortage of oil in the world.... there is enuf for many hundreds of years. The problem is that most of it is in the hands of Muslim or rogue nations run by extremists that hate the US. Without the oil that they have they would be nothing but a bother. With the oil, they will change the face of the world for the next 500 years..... give or take a few, eh. And, this sux.
It presently costs around $20 to bring a barrel of oil out of the ground and to market. Actually, I believe it to be around $12. BTAIM. The cartels have decided to move the ante up to $70 and above. The US... being politically correct with the world for some stupid liberal reason... has decided to blame the increase in price on India's and China's increased usage. WTF.... did these two nations just ramp up usage in the last couple years?
Ethanol, Bio-Willie Nelson-diesel, fuel cells, hybrid technology and such are just politicians running their lips to get re-elected or make the noon news. If some alcoholic beverage that can be poured into our cars costs more than gasoline, it will cost more at the pump than gas. And, what about the taxes and fees we pay on a gallon o'gas, folks? Here in CT-land it's over $0.80 I believe.
This is all crap. We should TAKE the oil from Iraq... the Arabs think we want it, let's prove them right. Screw the Iraqi fools and just protect the oil that can come outa the sands.... Venezuela has a gallon of gas for $0.12.... Iran is $0.50ish. Netherlands is $6.57 (taxes, I guess). Why is that?
And....finally..... I don't think our 993 cars can run on E85 without some modification. Who's gonna pay for that? And, if it costs a bundle, I wonder what our cars will be worth?
Anyway, don't mind me..... I'm just an angry bastad who had to make his own dinner this evening and had more wine than necessary to spell check this document.
Cheers..............
It's just a political ploy to see if we can fork over some coin to those in the agribusiness (not the farmers, tho) and make a new set of rules to govern. The making of gasohol, ethanol or whatever will not bring down the cost of fuel for our Porsches, BMWs or Chevys. It's just placating the public with a "promise to make things better". Like investigating "BIG Oil" for the pain at the pump BS.
There is no shortage of oil in the world.... there is enuf for many hundreds of years. The problem is that most of it is in the hands of Muslim or rogue nations run by extremists that hate the US. Without the oil that they have they would be nothing but a bother. With the oil, they will change the face of the world for the next 500 years..... give or take a few, eh. And, this sux.
It presently costs around $20 to bring a barrel of oil out of the ground and to market. Actually, I believe it to be around $12. BTAIM. The cartels have decided to move the ante up to $70 and above. The US... being politically correct with the world for some stupid liberal reason... has decided to blame the increase in price on India's and China's increased usage. WTF.... did these two nations just ramp up usage in the last couple years?
Ethanol, Bio-Willie Nelson-diesel, fuel cells, hybrid technology and such are just politicians running their lips to get re-elected or make the noon news. If some alcoholic beverage that can be poured into our cars costs more than gasoline, it will cost more at the pump than gas. And, what about the taxes and fees we pay on a gallon o'gas, folks? Here in CT-land it's over $0.80 I believe.
This is all crap. We should TAKE the oil from Iraq... the Arabs think we want it, let's prove them right. Screw the Iraqi fools and just protect the oil that can come outa the sands.... Venezuela has a gallon of gas for $0.12.... Iran is $0.50ish. Netherlands is $6.57 (taxes, I guess). Why is that?
And....finally..... I don't think our 993 cars can run on E85 without some modification. Who's gonna pay for that? And, if it costs a bundle, I wonder what our cars will be worth?
Anyway, don't mind me..... I'm just an angry bastad who had to make his own dinner this evening and had more wine than necessary to spell check this document.
Cheers..............
04-26-2006, 01:15 AM
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I saw a state department memo for diplomats going to Bahgdad - gas costs 5 cents a gallon right now.... You just have to be careful not to get shot while you are pumping it.
04-26-2006, 09:33 AM
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The Indy cars get all that power from alcohol by running high compression ratios. Alcohol doesn't detonate like gas (much higher octane). Not much a chip can do to raise the CR.
We don't need to replace all the petroleum that we use. Only the 20% or so that we get from the middle east. The we could tell those bat-****-crazy sand dwellers to peddle their wares to someone else and let China deal with all that ****.
We don't need to replace all the petroleum that we use. Only the 20% or so that we get from the middle east. The we could tell those bat-****-crazy sand dwellers to peddle their wares to someone else and let China deal with all that ****.
04-26-2006, 10:17 AM
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I say we tap into Alaska, reopen wells in Texas, and develop a hydo engine / electric engine for non p-cars.
If the US could source most of their own oil consumption than all the Arabs have is alot of sand. Go sell that...
If the US could source most of their own oil consumption than all the Arabs have is alot of sand. Go sell that...
04-26-2006, 10:29 AM
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While there is a ton of disinformation going around, I think that part of the rise in fuel prices is due to a lack of refining capacity. No new refineries have been built (green protests) and the ones in LA are still not back to full production. Scarcity drives prices.
So, it isn't just scarcity of crude oil, (by the way, at today's prices I believe that there is lots of it. Back in the 70's there was a big scare "we'll run out of oil by the mid 80's" until Herman Kahn of the Hudson Institute came out and said " the world will run out of 2 dollar a barrel crude oil by the mid eighties, on the other hand at 5 dollars a barrel, the supply will increase 8 fold. I think it's time to make building refineries a lot easier. I know that some oil companies are now importing refined fuel from europe to meet demand. That's expensive.
Best,
So, it isn't just scarcity of crude oil, (by the way, at today's prices I believe that there is lots of it. Back in the 70's there was a big scare "we'll run out of oil by the mid 80's" until Herman Kahn of the Hudson Institute came out and said " the world will run out of 2 dollar a barrel crude oil by the mid eighties, on the other hand at 5 dollars a barrel, the supply will increase 8 fold. I think it's time to make building refineries a lot easier. I know that some oil companies are now importing refined fuel from europe to meet demand. That's expensive.
Best,
04-26-2006, 06:17 PM
#52
Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau
While there is a ton of disinformation going around, I think that part of the rise in fuel prices is due to a lack of refining capacity. No new refineries have been built (green protests) and the ones in LA are still not back to full production. Scarcity drives prices.
So, it isn't just scarcity of crude oil, (by the way, at today's prices I believe that there is lots of it. Back in the 70's there was a big scare "we'll run out of oil by the mid 80's" until Herman Kahn of the Hudson Institute came out and said " the world will run out of 2 dollar a barrel crude oil by the mid eighties, on the other hand at 5 dollars a barrel, the supply will increase 8 fold. I think it's time to make building refineries a lot easier. I know that some oil companies are now importing refined fuel from europe to meet demand. That's expensive.
Best,
So, it isn't just scarcity of crude oil, (by the way, at today's prices I believe that there is lots of it. Back in the 70's there was a big scare "we'll run out of oil by the mid 80's" until Herman Kahn of the Hudson Institute came out and said " the world will run out of 2 dollar a barrel crude oil by the mid eighties, on the other hand at 5 dollars a barrel, the supply will increase 8 fold. I think it's time to make building refineries a lot easier. I know that some oil companies are now importing refined fuel from europe to meet demand. That's expensive.
Best,
04-26-2006, 11:11 PM
#53
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While there is a ton of disinformation going around, I think that part of the rise in fuel prices is due to a lack of refining capacity. No new refineries have been built (green protests) and the ones in LA are still not back to full production.
Now, don't turn me into a conservative (altho I may be...), but I dislike pretty much any information that is not truthful. And that's the rub. Most information is slanted this way or that way.... it is what it is. I certainly slant my own.
You are right on que regarding the "lack of refining capacity" that we have in the US. I don't think a new refinery has been built in like 20 years. Like prisons...., no one wants one in their backyard. Frankly, I don't understand this. I would enjoy a prison in my backyard. A refinery? Naw.... Too damn much stink, smoke, noise, trucks coming and going all the damn time, screwin' up my horizon to the West.... yada, yada.
But, a prison will pay mega-buck taxes to the town. Increased jobs to build said prison, more jobs as folks become "correction officers" (hell, I'm sorry here.... Prisons are now "Correctional Facilities". WTF?!).... aka, 'screws'... more construction jobs to build the "facilities" (I have another idea about exactly WHO should build these facilities)... and such. Safest place on the planet.
But, I digress....
Refineries need to be 'up wind'.... and we need several more NOW. It'll take 20 years to have the first NEW refinery built in the US. Trust me..., it will. There will be YEARS of .... "lemme tell you how this will impact the environment and the community".. "we'll have to impact some grassland areas in north western Kansas that will have to be monitored for 237 years"... "let form a commission to ..." ..."my state is better suited..." ... yada, yada.
Meanwhile, we are gonna pay 6 bucks for gas in the next 2-3 years or earlier.
Prisons and refineries (and Nuke plants) pay taxes to the communities and the state in which they are built.... sorta like Indian casinos, eh. That's kewl. We can reduce the tax here in CT-land if we build some of each in Putnum.... wind blows from the West, not many folks there, 'Quiet Corner' of Connecticut, they need the dollars, yada, yada. Plus, put a new prison there as well..... or in Windham county. Hell, well take 'em BOTH.
Sooooo.... here's the deal. Keep the Democrats outa office. We don't need another New Deal, New Frontier, New Taxes bunch of bullsh*t to generate some money to dole out to folks that don't have a clue or an education. Vote for the "The Other Party" ... I think they are now RED? Why is this...weren't they once BLUE?
Whatever....
Demand that we build more refineries FAST, drill more off shore (but not in Alaska, please....not a good idea), take more oil from the Middle East (yes, TAKE it and scew the French, Germans, Italians, Arabs, etc.), make ethanol cheap, make mass transit feasible (hahahahaha... yeah, that's possible), tap Mexico's oil, same/same Canada, Russia.... and maybe take out Venezuela. How much of a problem would it be to remove the psychopathic socialistic regime' that has a bunch of crude? Can you spell "drones"? Yeah, that's it, bro.
We need to increase the number of refineries.... Hopefully away from the Gulf's probable hurricanes. Increase crude from areas that are either 'friendly' or 'western', or 'occupied'. Move to make some sort of fuel cheap for those that wanna run a hybrid car/truck/bus/tractor/lawn mower... and continue to make fuel that'll run in high performance vehicles like our 993s... 93 octane and above.
Will this happen? Probably not. Talk and bickering is EZr. Politics will enter. Optional venues will intervene. It's just like that. It is what it is.
So, we'll pay 4...5...6 bucks a gallon in the next few years. Continue to **** and moan about Big Oil, the Pain at the Pump due to gouging, auto makers and politicians not making 40 miles per gallon SUVs mandatory, yada, yada.
It just won't matter in the long run. I still think the Middle East 'owes' us the oil. The Saudis, the Kuwaitis, the UAEs, the Iraqis... all those folks. Gawd, I wish I could spell their names! We have the capability to just 'get us some'. And we should.
Sorry for the lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng post. I'm pissed!.... again. And, I had to make my own dinner AGAIN! Thank Gawd for left overs, eh. And, please don't disparage me because it took me 5 years to graduate from Junior College.
04-27-2006, 12:41 PM
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Did you guys hear that China is going to be drilling in the gulf of Mexico in Cuba waters ? Thats funny, they are getting the oil ~40 mi off the coast of FL and the environmental do-gooders cant do a thing about it! Time to start drilling here and reduce our dependence on the middle east!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193292,00.html
http://wizbangblog.com/2006/04/26/fi...idas-coast.php
I also found a link to the Kennedy Cape Cod debate as well. Chewck out the hypocrites:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa..._on_cape_wind/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193292,00.html
http://wizbangblog.com/2006/04/26/fi...idas-coast.php
I also found a link to the Kennedy Cape Cod debate as well. Chewck out the hypocrites:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa..._on_cape_wind/
04-27-2006, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bull
Actually 30 years since a refinery has been allowed to be built.
04-27-2006, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
and 10 refineries (in California alone) have been closed in the past 15 years because of oil company mergers. Shell also tried to demolish their most profitable refinery in 2004 but for PR reasons decided to sell it instead.
