I did a search regarding squeals but need further input. I recently had the pads and rotors replaced and now have MAJOR squeal. The pads are Pagid OE which the search reveals likelyhood of squeal. The shop says that the pads are moving and I need to replace "brake hardware" (springs in calipers, etc.).

Does this sound right or should I just switch out to textar pads? Thoughts?

Thanks

Pat

 

You say you have Pagid OE pads, are they a standard street compound or more biased towards track use ?
If they are a more track biased compound they will tend to glaze up and squeak.
If they are a street pads the isolating strips which fit between the caliper pistons and and pad backing material may need replacing in addition to the retaining clips and springs.

 

Thanks for the response. They are street pads. When the shop pulled them they stated they looked fine (w/o glazing). That was one reason I pulled the rotors as well, just to be sure. But after everything checked out there was still major squeal right out of the garage.

I guess next step is the replacement of springs, backings etc.

 

There are numerous manufacturers that make OE spec pads. Pagid, Textar, and Jurid are the most common. The shop that put these on did so because these OE pads are readily available from aftermarket suppliers at half the cost of Porsche brand pads. The problem is that they do squeal. I have tried everything with my customers and the one thing I always came back to was the Porsche pad. This is doing everything right cleaning the cailpers, new spiders, etc. I ate numerous pad changes to come to this conclusion, but when I used Porsche pads I never had a problem with my customers. So in the end we did not have to do the work twice, and the customer was happy that it was done properly the first time.

Don't let them take you down the path any further changing clips or springs. Get pads from the dealer.

 

Bob, I posted something similar about Pagid Blue pads yesterday. There seem to be conflicting opinions. To eliminate variables, I'm going to take a photo of the pads showing the part numbers, as well as the box. Perhaps these could be Porsche OEM, too?

I'm installing the pads in newly rebuilt, newly powder coated Big Reds. The calipers are essentially brand new. There are no 'spiders,' just the pad placed into the caliper.

If I switch to a Porsche OEM from the dealer (assuming Textar) what else do you recommend for the install? Lubromoly brake grease or something similar? Also, I installed a new pair of Porsche OEM front rotors.

I don't have any squeal (yet) as the car hasn't been driven, so I still have the option of returning the Pagids.

Thanks

 

Here are photos of what I am referring to as 'Pagid Blue':

 

Robert - these are the Porsche OEM pads and not anything in the performance series from Pagid (like the ones you hear about being blacks, blue, orange, yellow, etc). I can even tell you the distributor by the sticker on the box. Even with new spiders, beveling the pads, yada yada, I had to remove numerous of these from customers cars because of noise. I stopped using them do to this problem and exclusively used Porsche pads for all street applications.

 

Thanks Bob...I appreciate the info very much...so if I switch to Textars, will there be any other materials required other than the pads themselves? (New spiders, LubroMoly, etc.)

 

You are a wealth of info, Bob! I've been starting to pay more attention to brake pad choices cause I'll likely need to do my first change this year or next. I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

 

Robert - I would get new spiders (sounds like you do not have your old ones) and some pads from Porsche... I will eat a check valve if that does not solve you issues (assuming they did the proper clean and maintenance of the caliper while the pads were out).

Thanks Paul. Glad to help out.... Owning a shop and doing LOTS AND LOTS of 993 gives you amazing experience of what works and what doesn't...

 

FWIW I used the after market Pagid Blues as my street pads for 4 years and switched to the oem Textars for the past 3 years, the switch was solely because the Textars were cheap. I have used them w/ and w/o the spiders. I found the 2 different types to be comparable in all respects,

they are both very dusty, the Pagid dust being darker and easier to clean, the Textar more reddish and more difficult to remove.

they both were quiet w/ little or no squeel untill they get dirty and the sliders start to bind up, keep them clean and there will be no issue w/ or w/o the spiders. When dirty they can get almost as bad as cold orange pads. I like to leave the spiders off to facilitate pad changes


They both work fine on the street, but Pagid orange, black or yellow go on for track use.

 

Thanks for all the input. That picture of the blue Pagid box looks familar, (that's what I have on). So, to make sure I have this right, I should likely swap out for Porsche Pads (Textar??). Just confused as to if Textars are Porsche pads or do I need to order Porsche pads from the dealer.

Pat

 

Pat, so the squealing Pagids you installed are the same as the ones in my photos?

 

I do not have the box but I believe so. I bought them online and they were listed as Pagid OEM.

PA

 

I'm returning the Pagids for Texstars. With luck, silence will reign.