cfdarch

2000wrx

As Phil aptly noted

As an Architect...I must tell clients a similar tale: quality, time, budget...you can have any two that you wish. I have a contractor friend who constantly chides me that the reality is that you must pick the one that drives the project.

Have you ever thought of finding a nice 911 SC...get it, drive it, enjoy it.

I autocross with Subaru guys...I enjoy their company. Rather than being an elitest as you suggest, my intention was to appeal to your design sensibilities....please accept my appologies if that was not evident. Anyhow, do your homework and good luck with your choice.

porkapig

2000wrx

one thing i would do is drive all the cars.

i have had a modded subaru legacy turbo (WRC fore runner to the impreza), lancia delta integrale evo (330bhp) etc etc

the 'grale was definately rarer and quicker to drive but the 993 has a certain 'difference'.

the difference not being bhp torque top speed etc etc - just the sense of occasion, drop dead looks and ultimately the need to think what your doing to get the best performance out of it - so much harder to drive

i'm the first to admit that a wrx sti will kick its *** on a wet country road (my mate has one - and he lusts over my 3.8) - but the thrill of being able to control the car is awesome.

If i was to buy again i would actually go for a 3.2 with g50 box - no way as quick but more skill required to keep up with even the hot hatch gtis of today - Feel and fun is much more relevant
marc

2000wrx

No problem cfdarch... darn internet, no inflection. No harm done.

I have thought about a 3.2 as a driver for a while. I think part of the problem is I have a bit of acceleration junkie in me. Perhaps the better plan would be a nice 3.2 (SS would satisfy the wide body lust and a nice Cobra Kit for that power lust... a proper tool for each job maybe... LOL

Man I need a second career to keep up with my wants.


Again guys thanks for all the input, it does help.

rmani

what's a cobra kit?

please forgive my ignorance.

Rezal

2000wrx,

Check out the latest Excellence magazine. There's a write-up on the 1974-1989 911's with est. market prices for the various variants. Also the pros and cons of each model. Surprisingly, a late model 3.2 (G50 tranny) in excellent condition isn't too far off from a decent condition 993. 964's might be the bargain as they seem to be the "lost" generation, a la the 996.

Good luck on your search. Just know that many folks on this forum and other Porsche enthusiasts (i.e. the non-poseurs) will take handling over outright hp. Very different from the "Tuner" crowd since it's easier to brag about hp and 1/4 miles rather than braking distances or steering feel.

Finally, one last piece of advice. Regardless of the year and price of 911 purchased, remember that at one time they were $60K+ cars (or at least the inflation adjusted equivalent). Consequently, maintenance would be up to par to the price. This is one of the many reasons why I've steered clear of Ferraris. I could probably afford an older version if I send a xmas card to my bank manager but the maintenance would just kill me!

2000wrx

I love the 993, and had considered that notion of a 993 and if/when power became an issue I could look into forced induction. I was told that the 993 N/A motor/drive train could NOT take the extra power.

I had questioned this because of the offerings from companies that I perceived as reputable. I love the look of the 993, and the fact that it seems to be one of the most well rounded of the 911 line. My thinking was that if/when I get a Porsche that it will be a very long term investment.

So what is the final word of forced induction on the NA 993’s?

Jean

If you know you are an hp junkie and have a budget set aside that can cover the price, go for the forced induction, if my opinion is of any value as I have owned several 993s N/A, however today I do not really enjoy driving one anymore after having tasted the sinful and addictive TT.

Times have changed, you can have a street driven 5-600 hp TT engine with VERY decent lag, you can even have 700hp but then the clutch and sound becomes annoying. I am sure Steve W. can inform you better.

I love the supercharger concept and its great lowdown torque, but I would personally not choose it over a TT engine if I had the choice as the TT engine has stronger internals and can still upgraded to another 50 hp easily.

2000wrx

Yea But how capable is the 993 NA's drive train at taking such high power levels?

Chris M.

That is unbelievably cheap! How is that possible? Did you do all the work yourself?

c

Jean

Very capable, Protomotive has been succesfully turbocharging 964s and 993s for several years, keeping stock tranny unless requested by the customer. If you use it as a track beast then you should upgrade to a $3k used and refreshed TT gearbox.

Don't get me wrong a 993N/A is plenty of car, the above was meant only if you are really after dramatic performance.

Eyal 951

For performance at the track, its the 993 hands down. Of course forced induction is fun, as you know already. My 951, with not much is making about 265 ( stock turbo mind it, its setup with all the suport mods, that EXTRA 100 hp will come from a big turbo) wheel HP, which is about STi HP at the crank... Of course, im 200-300 pounds lighter then said STi, and I only lose about 12% drivetrain loss, so the car does pull quicker once in boost, though it takes forever to get there (about 3000 rpm for FULL boost)
Point of the story? Get a 993.
~Eyal

porschedriver

I did it at the same time as i rebuilt part of the the engine(replaced valve guide and some lifters). So the cost is almost only for the parts, the rebuild was not included in the 3500 Euros. I also have really good contacts so I got most of the parts for net dealer price. I would guess that you would end up with app 5500-6500 Euros if you do everything "fram scratch" .

2000wrx

From what I have read the 993 seems to have more oil leaking issues that the 3.2, and is generally more costly to maintain than the older cars. Again, I really will need to drive both, though the cost difference is very large between the two.

When I start to look at the 993 I am over the cost of a 930 now... and that makes me start to look at those.

I think that I could pull off getting into a 3.2L in the near future (financially) a 930 being another 10-15K more would take a bit longer and a 993 being another 5k+ over the 930 even longer.

porschedriver

It´s the 964 that tend to leak, Early models in particular, not the 993s
The 964 is also more costly to maintain than the 993 due to mechanical rockers/lifters that need to be adjusted. But the 993 would probably be more expensive to maintain then the 3.2

I would pic a 993 over a 930 evey day of the week (and did=)

2000wrx

I think that after driving them I would choose the 993 also, though if there is a 5-10K price difference then that would change things a lot. That and I have a boost lust