Cayman vs 993
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Originally Posted by pcar964
put Rohrl in the 993 and let's see a real comparison on the 'Ring
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First, let's applaud Porsche for making a great car. Like it or not, it is worthy of the Porsche crest.
Second, it's a Cayman not a Carrera. I've had guys in Boxter's, older 911's and 996's pull up next to me and, surprisingly, tell me they've always loved the look of the 993.
Third, the 993 has much more "limit" in it than most of us will ever approach at the track. Even with the "old" technology, put more hp/torque in the car and how many of us would even think of trading??
So, here's how I look at it. The design of our 993's is unparralleled. The handling (with a few tweaks) is plenty for even most solo drivers on a DE weekend. The only way to really make our cars truly better from a performance standpoint is to add more hp/torque. Can the Cayman, Boxter, 996 or 997 owner say that?
Instead of getting a Cayman, 996, 997, Boxter S, etc., my next purchase is a supercharger kit. Then, I will truly have the best blend of form and function that Porsche can offer....for me.
Second, it's a Cayman not a Carrera. I've had guys in Boxter's, older 911's and 996's pull up next to me and, surprisingly, tell me they've always loved the look of the 993.
Third, the 993 has much more "limit" in it than most of us will ever approach at the track. Even with the "old" technology, put more hp/torque in the car and how many of us would even think of trading??
So, here's how I look at it. The design of our 993's is unparralleled. The handling (with a few tweaks) is plenty for even most solo drivers on a DE weekend. The only way to really make our cars truly better from a performance standpoint is to add more hp/torque. Can the Cayman, Boxter, 996 or 997 owner say that?
Instead of getting a Cayman, 996, 997, Boxter S, etc., my next purchase is a supercharger kit. Then, I will truly have the best blend of form and function that Porsche can offer....for me.
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I like the looks and the specs, but lets see how it holds up. Thats the real test!! We all know how well our 993s are built, lets see if the Cayman meets the same standards. I doubt it will.
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Originally Posted by Michael Cain
Porsche Cayman S 8 mins 11 seconds
Porsche 997 8 mins 15 Seconds
Porsche Boxster S 8 mins 18 Seconds
Porsche 993 8 mins 28 Seconds (this was not driven Walter, but someone else)
Porsche 997 8 mins 15 Seconds
Porsche Boxster S 8 mins 18 Seconds
Porsche 993 8 mins 28 Seconds (this was not driven Walter, but someone else)
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Originally Posted by texas911
......its really a mini Carrera GT with its mid engine layout.......
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The handling (with a few tweaks) is plenty for even most solo drivers on a DE weekend. The only way to really make our cars truly better from a performance standpoint is to add more hp/torque. Can the Cayman, Boxter, 996 or 997 owner say that?
Yes! Stock for stock, I think the 997 is a better driving/handling car. Now if you want to mod it up that's a different story, heck you can mod a Honda Civic into a race car. Go drive a 997S and tell me its not a good handling car, or dare I say better than the 993.
Don't get me wrong I absolutely love the 993, but to totally discount the newer Porsches as ill handling poser cars, that's just plain wrong.
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Originally Posted by texas911
Go drive a 997S and tell me its not a good handling car, or dare I say better than the 993. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love the 993, but to totally discount the newer Porsches as ill handling poser cars, that's just plain wrong.
I'm not writing any of the Porsches off as poser cars. I actually said the Cayman was very worthy of the Porsche crest. I'm simply saying except for hp/torque, the 993 is pretty damn hard to beat...especially in the wallet.
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Originally Posted by pcar964
put Rohrl in the 993 and let's see a real comparison on the 'Ring
Right on. But the guys in marketing couldn't let that happen . . .
Originally Posted by pcar964
put Rohrl in the 993 and let's see a real comparison on the 'Ring
Right on. But the guys in marketing couldn't let that happen . . .
The following are lap times for various P-cars around the N loop of the Nurburgring – most times are by Walter Rohrl, perhaps Porsche’s best known test driver.
What I think is fun is that the 997 times for performance chassis, PASM nl, PASM sport are all listed. The Cayman S time is included for your enjoyment.
7:28 -- Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004
7:32 -- Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:43 -- 996 GT3 RS,Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:46 -- 996 GT2
7:47 -- 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (2004)
7:49 -- 996 GT3 Cup
7:54 -- 996 GT3 (2003)
7:56 -- 996 Turbo
7:59 -- 997S (Performance Chassis) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:02 -- 997S (Sport PASM setting) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:03 -- 996 GT3 (1999)
8:05 -- 997S (Normal PASM setting)(Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:11 – Cayman S (Rohrl, Autoweek 2005)
8:12 -- 993 Turbo
8:15 -- 997 (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:17 -- 996 C2
8:23 -- 996 C4
8:28 -- 993 C 2
8:32 -- Boxster S
8:38 -- 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:46 -- 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
I think the neat 997 comparison data are
1) In the PASM Sport mode the 997S is only 6 secs slower than 996TT
2) The difference between sport and normal is 3 secs on 997S
3) The performance chassis option is 3 secs faster
4) The Cayman S is 6 sec slower than 997S (normal) and 4 secs faster than 997
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Originally Posted by chris walrod
We all yearn for lightweight, high power P-car products, but 911 has to remain Porsches -sports car- of choice, one would think. Of course the CGT is in a league of its own being more of exotic supercar status
That said, even with less HP, the Boxster has proven to be superior on-track in some areas.
Me? I'll keep my 993 as it reaks quality, heritage and 30+ years of development. Although, I wouldnt be against having a more modern P-car alongside my 993..
I too wont part at least with one of my 993's which is probably my redhead queen for all the reasons all of you guys say... BUT lets face it. The Cayman S providing the engine can take it, its going to be a real track tool. We like it or not our 993's have the short chassis which creates all kinds of interesting behavior on the track. Yes you get a kick out of them when you drive them fast, but sometimes I have yearned for my old 968 and the balanced handling. Dont like the 4 banger music and its a turn off for me, but with 300hp, mid engine flat six coupe, I sincerely believe that the Cayman is the answer for the track to all the shortcomings of our 993's. If they make a lightweight CS version my wife is going to kill me Certainly in D class the Cayman S will be the weapon of choise...
Chris its time to start saving
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My 993 is the pinnacle for me but (on paper) the Cayman is a sharp looking car that fits the traditional mold of Porsche (IMHO better than the Cayenne). I'd love to have both but would never rid myself of my "museum grade artwork" for one.
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I agree my 993 is my last. I think the Cayman is really a great looking car but I already think the 993 is as technologically advanced as it needs to be. Maybe even too much so for my tastes. I have to wonder if most manufacturers continue to "improve" their designs because it's the nature of selling new cars. Drive by wire, now steer by wire and electronic parking brakes are in the works. No thanks.
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To compare the 993 with the Cayman is apples with oranges. The 993, at it's time, was today's 997.
In this regard, one has to think of the 993 as a "911" and realise that it is Porsche's "mass-market" flagship (the CGT is definitely not mass-market, although one could argue that you could never call a Porsche "mass-market"). The critique of the previous gen 911 (996) is that it devalued the Porsche brand given the mass-production and engineering aimed at the shopping mall. People wanted a Porsche coupe, and they had only one choice: the 996.
The Cayman should rectify a lot of the image problems of the 911. The Cayman will probably steal a LOT of sales from the 911 for people who want the latest "Porsche coupe" but would not appreciate what makes the 911 special nor be willing to pay the premium. Diminishing sales of the 997 will probably be more than made up for by the increased sales volume and profit margins of the Cayman.
Result? 911 image gradually restored to it's position as the flagship Porsche as they become rarer sights compared to the lower range model Cayman.
The 993? It will always be a 911.
In this regard, one has to think of the 993 as a "911" and realise that it is Porsche's "mass-market" flagship (the CGT is definitely not mass-market, although one could argue that you could never call a Porsche "mass-market"). The critique of the previous gen 911 (996) is that it devalued the Porsche brand given the mass-production and engineering aimed at the shopping mall. People wanted a Porsche coupe, and they had only one choice: the 996.
The Cayman should rectify a lot of the image problems of the 911. The Cayman will probably steal a LOT of sales from the 911 for people who want the latest "Porsche coupe" but would not appreciate what makes the 911 special nor be willing to pay the premium. Diminishing sales of the 997 will probably be more than made up for by the increased sales volume and profit margins of the Cayman.
Result? 911 image gradually restored to it's position as the flagship Porsche as they become rarer sights compared to the lower range model Cayman.
The 993? It will always be a 911.