CEL saga continues...
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Three Wheelin'
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CEL saga continues...
Well, after a complete check-up and four new O2 sensors my CEL came on again after about 10 miles. 
Based on the fact that I've been to hades and back over the last 10 days or so since I purchased, I'm getting ready to throw in the towel. Truspeed has said they will "make it right", but I'm done with the platitudes and band-aid fixes. Their designated repair facility who replaced the steering rack didn't even get my steering wheel on straight (it's oriented to the right about 20 degrees)... I feel like they're trying to get my car's problems solved the cheapest way possible.
At this point, my plan is to give them two options... either take the car back and refund my money OR have the top end done at a shop of my choosing (hopefully Hergesheimer if I have my way). I love the car and it drives so strong and solid... I'm just done with all of this back and forth trying to avoid what in my mind is the inevitable.
Any advice? Thanks in advance...
Jeff
Based on the fact that I've been to hades and back over the last 10 days or so since I purchased, I'm getting ready to throw in the towel. Truspeed has said they will "make it right", but I'm done with the platitudes and band-aid fixes. Their designated repair facility who replaced the steering rack didn't even get my steering wheel on straight (it's oriented to the right about 20 degrees)... I feel like they're trying to get my car's problems solved the cheapest way possible.
At this point, my plan is to give them two options... either take the car back and refund my money OR have the top end done at a shop of my choosing (hopefully Hergesheimer if I have my way). I love the car and it drives so strong and solid... I'm just done with all of this back and forth trying to avoid what in my mind is the inevitable.
Any advice? Thanks in advance...
Jeff
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Your proposal sounds reasonable, given the error with the alignment. The steering wheel didn't come from the factory that way!
They are trying to fix the car with the least expense and that is okay as long as the car is fixed correctly. They should be able to minimize their expense, but they also have to "make it right".
Good luck.
Marv
They are trying to fix the car with the least expense and that is okay as long as the car is fixed correctly. They should be able to minimize their expense, but they also have to "make it right".
Good luck.
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Dont give up on them, especially if you really like the car otherwise. Its simple, have them fix it. You need to verify with Truespeed what exact code is being tripped.. Good luck!!
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The right path
Jeff
I think you are on the right path......either have everything corrected at the shop of your choice OR they take the car back and void the sale......
The latter will not likely to be palatable to them, but you may consider another higher priced car they have for sale as a " even swap "......perhaps they can impute the sales tax to avoid another cash cost to you.....whatever you do, I would suggest a in person meeting with a confirming letter( via certified mail )to follow memoralizing whatever understanding you reach with the dealer.....
Quicker is better in this type mess.....Good Luck!!!!!
I think you are on the right path......either have everything corrected at the shop of your choice OR they take the car back and void the sale......
The latter will not likely to be palatable to them, but you may consider another higher priced car they have for sale as a " even swap "......perhaps they can impute the sales tax to avoid another cash cost to you.....whatever you do, I would suggest a in person meeting with a confirming letter( via certified mail )to follow memoralizing whatever understanding you reach with the dealer.....
Quicker is better in this type mess.....Good Luck!!!!!
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gotta' agree w/ a few above..... i'd ask for an unwind deal.... & get yer money back in FULL. esp. if they won't even let you have the proper work done on the car @ the shop where ya had the PPI.
have to say..... you're a nice guy
. don't even think i'd have half the patience you've shown.
time is money.... don't let this become a liability for ya.
you're supposed to be behind the wheel (an aligned straight one) havin' a good time.
trojanman all the best & please don't let this experience end it for ya. lot of no-issue 993's out there. (vb's bein' a badass fast one
)
btw: thanks for sharing your experience, i'll avoid "truespeed".
have to say..... you're a nice guy
. don't even think i'd have half the patience you've shown.time is money.... don't let this become a liability for ya.
you're supposed to be behind the wheel (an aligned straight one) havin' a good time.
trojanman all the best & please don't let this experience end it for ya. lot of no-issue 993's out there. (vb's bein' a badass fast one
)btw: thanks for sharing your experience, i'll avoid "truespeed".
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Very sorry to hear. Truspeed has a very good reputation. Lay it on the line for them. Just be honest and straight up....no room for quibbling. If they balk...get your money back. There will be other nice cars out there.
Truspeed will have to fix this car, one way or another. They cannot sell it like it is....no way, no how.
Please keep us posted.
Truspeed will have to fix this car, one way or another. They cannot sell it like it is....no way, no how.
Please keep us posted.
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Thanks for all the responses and support... Berkley, my wife and I (she's an attorney) had already crafted a confirming letter before the second CEL, so we've modified it as such. Good advice and I appreciate it.
As for the PPI, many of you know better than I, but I must say I was given a pretty high level of assurance (at least verbally) that the "SAI won't be a problem". From what I've learned since, though, if all the codes are cleared and the car doesn't have any other apparent signs of carbon build-up it is nearly impossible to predict bad valve guides or clogged SAI ports.
As for the PPI, many of you know better than I, but I must say I was given a pretty high level of assurance (at least verbally) that the "SAI won't be a problem". From what I've learned since, though, if all the codes are cleared and the car doesn't have any other apparent signs of carbon build-up it is nearly impossible to predict bad valve guides or clogged SAI ports.
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I don't know the codes from the first CEL... the guy at the shop said it was two though; oxygen sensor (left side), and SAI.
The car hasn't been plugged in yet for the second CEL.
The car hasn't been plugged in yet for the second CEL.
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"I don't know the codes from the first CEL... the guy at the shop said it was two though; oxygen sensor (left side), and SAI."
If your car has the SAI CEL fault code, then replacing the O2 sensors is most
likely a waste of money at this time. Your shop should be able to read the voltages
of the four O2 sensors via their OBDII scanner and determine their condition.
Yes, many fault codes result from poor/bad O2 sensors, but the majority of CEL
SAI faults on 993s result from clogged SAI air passages.
Check here ( www.systemsc.com/codes.htm ) for a listing on common OBDII codes and ODBII general info.
If your car has the SAI CEL fault code, then replacing the O2 sensors is most
likely a waste of money at this time. Your shop should be able to read the voltages
of the four O2 sensors via their OBDII scanner and determine their condition.
Yes, many fault codes result from poor/bad O2 sensors, but the majority of CEL
SAI faults on 993s result from clogged SAI air passages.
Check here ( www.systemsc.com/codes.htm ) for a listing on common OBDII codes and ODBII general info.