Need Advice on a deadbeat buyer
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Why can't you call the police and lodge a complaint for theft. He has stolen your property. Seems simple to me, if the police show up as his place of work it should get his attention.
Dan
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Originally Posted by duc916
Why can't you call the police and lodge a complaint for theft. He has stolen your property. Seems simple to me, if the police show up as his place of work it should get his attention.
Dan
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Actually Dan's idea is not a bad one. The "transaction" you describe is sort of a jump-ball between a civil and criminal situtation. The buyer may have had the intent to defraud you from the begining.
Depending on the locality you live in and if you get someone sympathetic in law enforcement, this can work quickly and the price is right. Nothing will motivate a dead-beat to pay up like a police squad car pulling up to his house or work place.
I suggest contacting the local sherriff or state police. Rural law enforcement tends to be more sympathetic to these situations. Talk to a detective (better if it was someone you knew or a friend of a friend...) and tell them the story. Explain that you believe the buyer intended to defraud you and you want to collect the funds or have him arrested. The law enforcement person will contact the buyer to get his take on the story. Next thing you know, you'll have your money.
We (my company) have used this same procedure at least twice when we were owed money. It could have gone either way, civil or criminal. The law enforcement guys were very helpful and both times we got paid or got our property returned.
Good luck.
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Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the great man who said the following, but it's one of the most important and unheeded caveats. "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing."
Jim, I think the spirit of support shown by your fellow Rennlisters demonstrates that there are some people left in this world who operate by principles. I think you wrote earlier in the thread that it's the principle. So, I encourage you to follow this to the end in whatever way seems right to you. You will be one of the good men who refuses to stand by and do nothing in the face of the total disregard for the rights of others. Good luck and fight the good fight.
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Matt
Jim, I think the spirit of support shown by your fellow Rennlisters demonstrates that there are some people left in this world who operate by principles. I think you wrote earlier in the thread that it's the principle. So, I encourage you to follow this to the end in whatever way seems right to you. You will be one of the good men who refuses to stand by and do nothing in the face of the total disregard for the rights of others. Good luck and fight the good fight.
Regards,
Matt
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I will stand by this and see it t the end. I hate to think that anyone would be able to get away with this for any amount of money.
I talked to one of my clients, who is a chief detective with the Jacksonville Sheriff's office. He said that there was nothing they could do and my only recourse was to go through an attorney.
I talked to one of my clients, who is a chief detective with the Jacksonville Sheriff's office. He said that there was nothing they could do and my only recourse was to go through an attorney.
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Post his name here and at your next event,call police and fill out a report if they will take it.
Go to your local municipal prosecutor and seek help,ask a attorney friend to write a letter and go to small claims court !
Good Luck.
I always get shafted after I pay !
Go to your local municipal prosecutor and seek help,ask a attorney friend to write a letter and go to small claims court !
Good Luck.
I always get shafted after I pay !
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Just a quick.. I send this jerk a demand letter via an attorney. It seems while we have beenn getting ready for small claims court filing, this deadbeat moved with no forwarding address...
Please don't do business with this guy, MICHAEL BURCKHALTER.
What a jerk....
Please don't do business with this guy, MICHAEL BURCKHALTER.
What a jerk....
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Hey Jim,
Leave his phone number, work address, etc.
Since he is making life HELL for you, why not some Rennlisters make life HELL for him.
With trash like Mike, you have to be just as mean.
If I lived in Florida, I would be more than happy to confront this ******* with you.
Please keep us informed.
Leave his phone number, work address, etc.
Since he is making life HELL for you, why not some Rennlisters make life HELL for him.
With trash like Mike, you have to be just as mean.
If I lived in Florida, I would be more than happy to confront this ******* with you.
Please keep us informed.
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I went by were he was living (an apartment complex) and left a note on his roomate's car. Sometime ago he said his best friend's husband was a sheriff. I got a telephone call from the sheriff today saying that I was tresspassing and I had been warned. I told the sheriff, I hadn't done anything wrong and he felt froggy come arrest me. I also told him to tell his buddy, that I'll go broke before I left this guy get away with screwing people.
Isn't always the people that seem to be invloved with the law, that seem to have a friend that is a policeman/sheriff.
Isn't always the people that seem to be invloved with the law, that seem to have a friend that is a policeman/sheriff.
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Hey Jim,
I am also sorry to hear about your unfortunate incident. I know I would be boiling. Even though I agree 110% with my fellow Rennlisters, let me offer up another piece of advice.
Write it up as a loss and a lesson learned. After all, you can't squeeze blood from a stone and it sounds as if this guy has little to nothing for you to go after.
I know it's an unfortunate loss and I would probably not heed my own advice in your situation, I just hope to be a sound of reason.
The time and effort you may spend trying to resolve it will probably **** off your wife, raise your blood pressure, take away time that you could use being productive somehow and will probably not resolve itself anytime soon.
It would seem that as a group, we Rennlisters are quite generous. With our time, advice, money, friendship, etc. Things like this are bound to happen from time to time and we all have to lookout for one another. Unfortunately the risk reward factor is not slanted in your favor for this instance.
It is a small world though and I'm sure Michel Bruckhalter will surface again. If he does, we know him now and revenge is a dish best served cold.
best of luck with whatever you decide to do.
B
I am also sorry to hear about your unfortunate incident. I know I would be boiling. Even though I agree 110% with my fellow Rennlisters, let me offer up another piece of advice.
Write it up as a loss and a lesson learned. After all, you can't squeeze blood from a stone and it sounds as if this guy has little to nothing for you to go after.
I know it's an unfortunate loss and I would probably not heed my own advice in your situation, I just hope to be a sound of reason.
The time and effort you may spend trying to resolve it will probably **** off your wife, raise your blood pressure, take away time that you could use being productive somehow and will probably not resolve itself anytime soon.
It would seem that as a group, we Rennlisters are quite generous. With our time, advice, money, friendship, etc. Things like this are bound to happen from time to time and we all have to lookout for one another. Unfortunately the risk reward factor is not slanted in your favor for this instance.
It is a small world though and I'm sure Michel Bruckhalter will surface again. If he does, we know him now and revenge is a dish best served cold.
best of luck with whatever you decide to do.
B
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I hate to admit it but you are 100% correct. I noticed everytime i start working on this, I am tough to be around. I do believe "what goes around comes around".
Although I want to be mature about this, it is hard.
Bottom line..... I need to spend time on things that are more productive.
Although I want to be mature about this, it is hard.
Bottom line..... I need to spend time on things that are more productive.
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I'd glad to hear you are letting this one go. Maybe you can just pray for him. He must be in a lot of spiritual pain to do something so lame as this!
When I bought some exhaust tips from another Rennlister (Phil), he just sent them to me in advance of my $100 check being received by him. I was blown away. This is the spirit of the Rennlist community. Sometimes you get burned, but most times you don't. With an item that valuable though, I guess it's NEVER worth taking a chance. If it's $100 or less, I'd be less apt to worry about doing what you did.
Lesson learned. Move on and forgetaboutit. You'll be so glad to put it behind you! Laughing about it is better than crying about it. I guess by now you're probably all cried out anyway.
Respectfully yours,
Steve
When I bought some exhaust tips from another Rennlister (Phil), he just sent them to me in advance of my $100 check being received by him. I was blown away. This is the spirit of the Rennlist community. Sometimes you get burned, but most times you don't. With an item that valuable though, I guess it's NEVER worth taking a chance. If it's $100 or less, I'd be less apt to worry about doing what you did.
Lesson learned. Move on and forgetaboutit. You'll be so glad to put it behind you! Laughing about it is better than crying about it. I guess by now you're probably all cried out anyway.
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Respectfully yours,
Steve