911-TOUR

I'll confirm Danny's comments - my car is about as good as it gets for a daily driver (which mine is). However, be aware up front, the Bilstein HD units also have some install issues - PM me if you like and I'll fill you in. I'm still sorting out the rear spring perches and the drop link mount. I've been talking with the lead mechanic of "Wait for Me!" Racing and I think we've got a solution, but it'll be the middle of May before we have time to try it out.

I can't say enough good things about the ride of the setup. I've ridden in Robert H's PSS-9 car, and it's stiffer than I'd like for a street car, even on the softest settings. I've not ridden in Danny's cab, but it's lower than would be practical for a daily driver in Houston.

Hope that helps!

sean

Robert Henriksen

Although Sean's having quite the nightmare w. keeping the F&R lower spring perches from rotating & throwing off the corner balance! I'm sure he'll post a f/u here at some point.

Richard C4S

Mr Clifton,
Sounds like you made the only decision that doesnt have problems with ride height adjustment and rotating mounts requiring custom pieces.

Are there any fitment issues with the standard sway bars using the H&R coilovers?

MrClifton

There are no "fitment" issues. That's one of the reasons why I went with the H+R setup. It is a direct bolt-on. The rears came set for ride height lowered 1 3/8 lower than stock. The fronts I set to same as stock but with the slightly shorter spring, the ride height comes out 1 1/2 lower than stock. Gert also has the setup on sale.

Richard C4S

Thanks, Ive made up my mind, finally!

Speedraser

Chris C,
Why "skip the Eibachs"?

How close are the spring rates and ride height of the RoW M030 and the non-coilover H+R springs? I understand that the Bilstein HDs are set to match the US ride height (WHY???) and the problems arise with the lower RoW height -- true? I heard a rumor that Bilstein was going to do something about this -- any news on this? I assume the H+R non-coilover with Bilstein HD setup has the same fitment issue as the RoW M030/Bilstein HD -- true?

All this fitment stuff is almost enough to tempt me to go with RoW M030 with "factory" shocks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> but not quite.

rattlsnak

I went with the H&R s also. I have ridden in many cars with PS9s and have found no difference in handling between the two. My car is primarirly track use (not racing, just DEs, and AX) and is plenty stiff. Once people adjust the PS9s where they want them they tend to not move them again. The main reason however was the ease of installation and not having to buy extra perches, or mounts, or 'tie wrapping' the springs as in with the HDs.!

DJF1

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Speedraser:
<strong>
I assume the H+R non-coilover with Bilstein HD setup has the same fitment issue as the RoW M030/Bilstein HD -- true?
.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I'm under the impression that they fit much better than the row m030 springs ( not as short) . Gert who sells the combo should be able to let you know with certainty.
My mechanic is the one who set up Sean's car and his biggest concern was not the tie wrap of the springs to the hat, but the locking collars that came with the Bilsteins or to put it better the lack off multiple locking colars. I'm pretty sure that Sean can explain that to you in detail and that Gert should be by now aware of the problem and hopefully is supllying all the collars necessary. Getting the factory shocks I'm afraid that you will be looking to replace them in 20K miles again which means again alignement, corner balance etc which means additional cost. It is very true that the H&R coilover is presently the only trouble free, well made and easy to install coilover system for the 993. I'm just not sure how you will like it...
Do try and find a car to ride in and make up your mind...

Chris C.

Eibach springs and US factory shocks create bad handling scenarios. Not sure if that was the option your were considering.

Lots of other, better matched choices, IMNSHO.

Speedraser

Thanks again for the responses.

Chris C,
I would not install Eibachs with the original shocks. Whatever I do, I will change the shocks. One reason that the factory RoW M030 setup is appealing is that I could, in theory, install matching factory M030 shocks. The idea of putting Monroes on the car does not appeal, needless to say.

The biggest appeal to me about H&R coilovers and PSS-9 is that the springs and shocks are matched. However, it sounds like I don't want to go that stiff for my use, Mr. Clifton's view excepted, and the roads in the NE and New York Metro area closely resemble the surface of the moon. I definitely want a set of springs/shocks/bars that are well-matched to each other.

Is there any other (non-Monroe) shock besides Bilstein HDs that work with H&R, Eibachs or RoW M030?

armand993

just ordered h + r coil over kit and front protection bar from gert .. thanks mr. clifton for pushing me over the edge of that cliff
18 turbo twists are also on the way armand

Speedraser

Has anyone compared the ride/handling of the H&R non-coilover+Bilstein HDs to the RoW M030+Bilstein HDs?

Anir

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Chris C.:
<strong>Eibach springs and US factory shocks create bad handling scenarios. Not sure if that was the option your were considering.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Chris,

The previous owner of my car installed the Eibach 7209 lowering springs with the factory Turbo shocks, and I've run this set-up for over 2 years now.

Interestingly, the handling was pretty darn good on the track. Several very experienced drivers that drove my car (e.g. BJ Zacharias) specifically commented on how well the car handled.

I am upgrading to the PSS-9's as we speak, but just wanted to add my experience for those that might be working with a more limited budget. The Eibachs aren't perfect, but they certainly provide improved looks and better handling for about $300.

Chris C.

Thanks Anir for setting me straight <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I was basing my comments on Robin's experience with the Eibachs, but he did not have the M030 shocks on his car as did your turbo.

Anir

Chris,

I've also wondered if the M030 shocks had something to do with my better impressions about the Eibach springs.