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I am honestly asking myself if the Autometrics toll and similar are working exactly as the Original ones because the manner to read the KT it looks very different.
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The Autometrics ones were based off the motorsports units. They work fine and as has been stated the Originals haven't been available for 20+ years. The only real issue is the motorsports units work really well for lowered vehicles but not quite as well for stock ride height, but usually you can at least guage that adjustments are even side to side.
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They're all basically the same. A product like the original units doesn't exist. After all these years id be surprised if even 1 or 2 dealers in the country still have original ones in their tool storage. Do the best you can with whats available. It will be fine so long as using the MS units the bubbles are even both sides. You wont get to the center on a stock ride car.
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I borrowed an original from Bob at Stable Energies to do a friends car. I have seen people 3D print one to use a digital gauge like this. Does the job perfectly.
https://www.grainger.com/product/817...RoCUL4QAvD_BwE
https://www.grainger.com/product/817...RoCUL4QAvD_BwE
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I borrowed an original from Bob at Stable Energies to do a friends car. I have seen people 3D print one to use a digital gauge like this. Does the job perfectly.
https://www.grainger.com/product/817...RoCUL4QAvD_BwE
https://www.grainger.com/product/817...RoCUL4QAvD_BwE
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I borrowed an original from Bob at Stable Energies to do a friends car. I have seen people 3D print one to use a digital gauge like this. Does the job perfectly.
https://www.grainger.com/product/817...RoCUL4QAvD_BwE
https://www.grainger.com/product/817...RoCUL4QAvD_BwE
Unless you're referring to using the digital gauge on an autometrics-style caliper-mounted 3d printed bracket? That would obviously work, although again you'd need an autometrics or original Porsche Motorsport to determine how the bubble position translates to degrees targeted by your DIY bracket.
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I fully support all DIY solutions, but this doesn't strike me as a serious option. Without the original tools, we don't know how the angle difference between the control arms (what the original tools target, in "scale units") translates to degrees. Maybe we could sort of guess, but who really knows. And we certainly don't know that a level bubble corresponds to a 0-degree level control arm, without testing the original tools. Just too many unknowns.
Unless you're referring to using the digital gauge on an autometrics-style caliper-mounted 3d printed bracket? That would obviously work, although again you'd need an autometrics or original Porsche Motorsport to determine how the bubble position translates to degrees targeted by your DIY bracket.
Unless you're referring to using the digital gauge on an autometrics-style caliper-mounted 3d printed bracket? That would obviously work, although again you'd need an autometrics or original Porsche Motorsport to determine how the bubble position translates to degrees targeted by your DIY bracket.
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I fully support all DIY solutions, but this doesn't strike me as a serious option. Without the original tools, we don't know how the angle difference between the control arms (what the original tools target, in "scale units") translates to degrees. Maybe we could sort of guess, but who really knows. And we certainly don't know that a level bubble corresponds to a 0-degree level control arm, without testing the original tools. Just too many unknowns.
Unless you're referring to using the digital gauge on an autometrics-style caliper-mounted 3d printed bracket? That would obviously work, although again you'd need an autometrics or original Porsche Motorsport to determine how the bubble position translates to degrees targeted by your DIY bracket.
Unless you're referring to using the digital gauge on an autometrics-style caliper-mounted 3d printed bracket? That would obviously work, although again you'd need an autometrics or original Porsche Motorsport to determine how the bubble position translates to degrees targeted by your DIY bracket.
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Whoa, slow down with all the details. We can assume then that you somehow got ahold of a genuine Porsche Motorsports gauge then calibrated the use of a digital level on the control arms against the Porsche gauge. Yes I can certainly agree this would work. Nicely done! But my point still stands; it's not a practical solution because (1) virtually nobody has access to that OEM gauge, and (2) those who do (like you) aren't telling the rest of us sufficient information to replicate it. Or perhaps someone did a writeup on how to fake it using a digital gauge? It definitely seems easy enough, but we'd need to know the targets. I've been looking out for a writeup like that for 20 years now.
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Whoa, slow down with all the details. We can assume then that you somehow got ahold of a genuine Porsche Motorsports gauge then calibrated the use of a digital level on the control arms against the Porsche gauge. Yes I can certainly agree this would work. Nicely done! But my point still stands; it's not a practical solution because (1) virtually nobody has access to that OEM gauge, and (2) those who do (like you) aren't telling the rest of us sufficient information to replicate it. Or perhaps someone did a writeup on how to fake it using a digital gauge? It definitely seems easy enough, but we'd need to know the targets. I've been looking out for a writeup like that for 20 years now.
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I mentioned above I had access to an original one from Bob at Stable Energies. I know of a few other long time mechanics that have them as well. They are out there but you are right finding originals is not easy. One for sale is another hens teeth search. Both Autometrics and Carnewal offer an aftermarket version. It isn't quite the same as the original but should do the job. You are correct we have not yet decided to sell these or not. I am working on a few other projects first. There is also the issue with lack of durability with 3D printing these vs CNC'ing them out of aluminum. All in the cost to make them in aluminum plus the level would be pricey compared to the current options.
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I mentioned above I had access to an original one from Bob at Stable Energies. I know of a few other long time mechanics that have them as well. They are out there but you are right finding originals is not easy. One for sale is another hens teeth search. Both Autometrics and Carnewal offer an aftermarket version. It isn't quite the same as the original but should do the job. You are correct we have not yet decided to sell these or not. I am working on a few other projects first. There is also the issue with lack of durability with 3D printing these vs CNC'ing them out of aluminum. All in the cost to make them in aluminum plus the level would be pricey compared to the current options.