PeanutinCA

[quote]Originally posted by 993 RS Clubsport:
<strong>This just in-- the Michelin Sport CUPs are a super great value. They last like crazy and work great rain or shine. These tires are like Christmass time compared to the 4- 5 sets of 18" Hoosiers people were buying to do 3-4 races and some DEs. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

But what is the grip level like? What tire would it compare too? If known?

Cheers,
Dylan.

joey bagadonuts

Here's a good testimonial:

<a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000246" target="_blank">http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000246</a>

Look for Greg Fishman's post.

Joe@Fabspeed

Michelin Sport CUP are as fast as Hoosiers BUT last much much longer. IN a short 10 minute sprint race the Hoosiers may/maynot have an edge.......BUT that edge drops off way fast as the Hoosiers goaway and get slippery........the Michelins stay strong and grippy all the way with no changes. They are phonomenal.
Oliver Zitzman my trackwingman is German and generated lots of harddata and convined me and many others.

The Michelins are dirt cheap compared to other streetrace tires interms of performnace and longevity! Bets of all they are steel belted and have relatively deep treads for rain usuage and have comprehensive grooving patterns for deep rain (yearround) usuage. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />

STLPCA

[quote]Originally posted by E. J.:
<strong>Hey Mark, after 3 years we got through to one.</strong><hr></blockquote>

EJ
Don't despair - you got through to me 2 years ago. That's why I'm using up my street Mich MXX3s on spare 17" Cups as my track tires by which time I should (hopefully) be ready for Rs.
So thanks to you (& Mark) for the words of wisdom. Faster isn't always better

Flying Finn

[quote]Originally posted by 993 RS Clubsport:
<strong>Michelin Sport CUP are as fast as Hoosiers BUT last much much longer. IN a short 10 minute sprint race the Hoosiers may/maynot have an edge.......BUT that edge drops off way fast as the Hoosiers goaway and get slippery........the Michelins stay strong and grippy all the way with no changes. They are phonomenal.
Oliver Zitzman my trackwingman is German and generated lots of harddata and convined me and many others.

The Michelins are dirt cheap compared to other streetrace tires interms of performnace and longevity! Bets of all they are steel belted and have relatively deep treads for rain usuage and have comprehensive grooving patterns for deep rain (yearround) usuage. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Joe,

How many miles (approx.) you'll get with these tyres?

Thanks.

E. J. - 993 Alumni

I'm glad Dan. You will be happier and a better driver in the long run.

E. J.

Flying Finn

Little update:

Just ordered Pirelli PZero Asimmetrico's (225/45*17 & 265/40*17).

Decided to get the street tyres this time and see if I'm satisfied with their performance or if I still want more grip. If that's the case, I'll get Sport Cups after these are finished.

I can post what do I think of these after Homestead.

Thanks for all the help.

Joe@Fabspeed

I have 4 clubraces on the tires (with 3hours of Enduro racing) + 4days DE and about 1400 street miles. These tires will do another Summit Point clubrace and 6 days DE.....drive on them all fall on the street...and probably still be good for next year at Road Atlanta in C stock.

Everyone learns on street tires........after a while staying on street tires is fine if you do only a couple DEs a year. If you stay on streettires thats fine but as you get faster...and yet still stay on street tires its gets real-old fast with all the tire squeal/howling/and general lack of grip........BUT the worst is when you finally realize that youre a moving-pick for the guys on race type street tires.

The hidden beauty of the Michelins is that they are capable of everything all the time with no compromise. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Many people especially in the warmer areas.......after they burn-out their stock tires.... should just run the Michelins 24/7. I do and as a result I will have 3 xtra sets of 18" rims to dispose of this winter as I only need 1 set of wheels because of the Michelins. THis is why I rave about thosetires....... <img src="graemlins/r.gif" border="0" alt="[king]" />

Flying Finn

Thanks,

After I'm finished with these, I'll certainly get those Michelins.

DJF1

FF I do not want to dissapoint you bud, but I had exactly the same thought process when I installed my new P-Zero's. I let a tire rack guy scare me off the Cups and the end result is that the P-Zero's lasted literally 1.1/2 weekend. The P-Zero's are pretty sticky but they are no R's and at the end of the day the thought process of "learning" on street tires proved too much for the tires... I literally had to stay out for couple of runs in fear that I would have no tread left to go home! Kevin with his 993 was parked next to me and can attest the condition of the tires!!! I guess like others wisely have said on this board if you are in a state that you are constatly on the tire limit you are ready for the R's. I hope I'am as I will go for the cups and I hope they will last longer than the P-Zeros, I figure since they are actually made for racing they will endure more the heat stress and will not shave chunks of the tire off after every run like the P-Zero's. As for regulating the speed and learning the R's I think it is up to us to drive safely at speed and not go over our heads...

Flying Finn

Oh no... And now you're telling me...
At Moroso, my first time there and I was on the edge in all the corners... I just hope my tyres were so bad that they didn't have grip at all.

Well, I'll just try it now since I've already ordered them and see what happens. Sounds bad though...

Only consern with R's if used also in street is that they only have so many heat cycles in them, so even though your not wearing them out, the rubber gets hard...

Flying Finn

Well,

Based on Joe's 'raves' and Danny's warnings (I had my doubts too) I went ahead and changed my order to Michelin Super Cups.
(This is starting to sound like my wife's purchases...)

I'll let you know what are my impressions after little street, one speedtrial & Homestead DE.

Joe@Fabspeed

Yes I rave about these tires only because they are such a great value to me and lots of other guys because they last & last BUT best of all stick like crazy.


Since you live in Florida........and it never really get very cold down there you be fine on the Sport CUPs 24/7 ( substitute Calif/Arizona/Seattle/Phila/southeast) You wont need anything else.

However, common sense would indicate that for example if you drove a 993 C4S as a daily driver year round in Toronto Canada, Austria, or Buffalo NY........you would need another set of tires to make it through the winter.

That being said.......if you have ever driven any 993/BMW/or high performnace street car on 17" or 18" street tires.......you know that stock hiperformnace OEM streettires are 100% horrible in the snow and slippery stuff. This is why Porcshe AG offers and recommends extra wheels with skinny snow type tires or skinnier snow tires for your stock wheels or if it is all out crazy winter Porcshe recommends chains.

Personally, after I used up my stock street type tires........I switched over and have driven on Pirreli P Zero Cs for the last 2 winters and this year I will just drive on the Michelin Sport CUPs. This is in the Philadelphia area.

If it snows/sleets/ or is real nasty.....I like you most likely just drive something else like the SUV /airport car/ yada. I let the fun car hibernate under a carcover in the garage.

You made the right decision for the ultimate street- combo track tire. Michelins are going to get real popular for Porcshe owners. Go for 33degrees hot all around and start at 25front 24 rear.
Have a great weekend!
Joe

Flying Finn

Thanks Joe,

I'll start with those pressures and see how it goes.

kev

Danny,

Lets compare notes here. I just burned through a pair of SO2 rears w/ approximately 50% tread (used from AK Tires in Tampa...great price/service) in 2 DE's. This was all at TWS. Here are my alignment numbers:
TOE: F +5', R +15'
CASTER: LF 5 deg, RF 5 deg
CAMBER: F -2 deg, R -1.5 deg
KINEMATIC TOE SET TO SPEC

My wear is solely on the inner edge of the tires.