Is this safe ! ????
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Is this safe ! ????
When I changed my oil on Saturday, I noticed this to my suprise:
History:
-PO had an alignment & corner balance on 5/7/02.
-These tires were on for approx 12K miles.
-At least 3 DE's at Limerock Park (mostly right handers).
-The tire in question is the right (passengers) front. The driver's front just has the beginings of the problem starting to occur. The belts coming through are on the inside of the tire.
-Car is a C4.
Questions:
-I need to drive the car to my indy for new tires, mount/balance and alignment. About 25 miles in the rain, taking it slow and easy. WOuld it be safe to drive on?
-Is it normal for an alignment to be out enough to cause the belts to come through after 2 years?
-Due to DE's?
-Or, crappy alignment the first time?
TIA.
History:
-PO had an alignment & corner balance on 5/7/02.
-These tires were on for approx 12K miles.
-At least 3 DE's at Limerock Park (mostly right handers).
-The tire in question is the right (passengers) front. The driver's front just has the beginings of the problem starting to occur. The belts coming through are on the inside of the tire.
-Car is a C4.
Questions:
-I need to drive the car to my indy for new tires, mount/balance and alignment. About 25 miles in the rain, taking it slow and easy. WOuld it be safe to drive on?
-Is it normal for an alignment to be out enough to cause the belts to come through after 2 years?
-Due to DE's?
-Or, crappy alignment the first time?
TIA.
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Evan,
It sounds like there was too much negative camber on the RF tire. Usually DE's will wear out the outside edges because there is too little neg camber.
As for driving it 25 miles, I guess if you took it really easy, you could get to your mechanic without a problem. All of that cord would make me very nervous, though.
Good luck.
It sounds like there was too much negative camber on the RF tire. Usually DE's will wear out the outside edges because there is too little neg camber.
As for driving it 25 miles, I guess if you took it really easy, you could get to your mechanic without a problem. All of that cord would make me very nervous, though.
Good luck.
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Evan,
I'll agree with Mark, I would be very nervous with that much belt/cord showing. I corded a set of BFGs at Mid Ohio last year and limped it home to Chicago without a problem, but I didn't have nearly as much belt/cord showing.
I had the same thing happen to me and it was the inside of the inside tire where most of the wear could be when the other tire is the outside tire most of the time. Now I run MPSCs that I swap from side to side between each event to try and spread the wear on the tires.
Good luck with the trip to the shop.
-Skip
I'll agree with Mark, I would be very nervous with that much belt/cord showing. I corded a set of BFGs at Mid Ohio last year and limped it home to Chicago without a problem, but I didn't have nearly as much belt/cord showing.
I had the same thing happen to me and it was the inside of the inside tire where most of the wear could be when the other tire is the outside tire most of the time. Now I run MPSCs that I swap from side to side between each event to try and spread the wear on the tires.
Good luck with the trip to the shop.
-Skip
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Would be REAL worried; you're thru the steel belt, which mean NOTHING is left.
Can't you take the tires off and transport them up in a "daily driver"? Might have to do it two tires at a tiem; PITA but better than having that thing blow out on you and causing an accident.
Can't you take the tires off and transport them up in a "daily driver"? Might have to do it two tires at a tiem; PITA but better than having that thing blow out on you and causing an accident.
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Evan, take some liquid nails and a putty knife and apply a liberal amount of adhesive over the cords. Wait five hours or more and drive to your indy. Do not stop at any peep shows or fast food and you will be fine if you late apex all left hand turns.
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What concerns me most is that you may have been driving on the track with tires in this condition. If so, you were putting yourself and your instructor in serious danger, IMO.
Before every session you should look your tires over and check pressure. It is also a good idea to look at the brake pads every other session or so. Overly cautious is a good thing.
I was in a beautiful 993TT that lost all the air in the passenger side rear tire (not sure if it was due to something we hit on the track or what) and we ended up in a tire wall. Not fun for him, nor I. Thankfully he got the car turned sideways and we hit in a glancing blow vs. a straight a head hit.
Before every session you should look your tires over and check pressure. It is also a good idea to look at the brake pads every other session or so. Overly cautious is a good thing.
I was in a beautiful 993TT that lost all the air in the passenger side rear tire (not sure if it was due to something we hit on the track or what) and we ended up in a tire wall. Not fun for him, nor I. Thankfully he got the car turned sideways and we hit in a glancing blow vs. a straight a head hit.
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Greg - Point Very well taken.
After our DE, we took the car to FL and before we went on the trip, I did have the car in for a check up to make sure all was OK. I did specifically ask to have the tires checked to make sure they were OK. I knew the rears were probably due after the 3K trip, but wanted to make sure just in case. I was told all were OK. I am guessing the 3K FL trip did most of the wear of the belts. From seeing them now, I guess we were real lucky we got back OK. Right after that trip, the car went in for car was in for the winter.
After our DE, we took the car to FL and before we went on the trip, I did have the car in for a check up to make sure all was OK. I did specifically ask to have the tires checked to make sure they were OK. I knew the rears were probably due after the 3K trip, but wanted to make sure just in case. I was told all were OK. I am guessing the 3K FL trip did most of the wear of the belts. From seeing them now, I guess we were real lucky we got back OK. Right after that trip, the car went in for car was in for the winter.
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CarreraGT had the same issue this weekend, only he did not know it. Soon after you loose the structual integrity of the of the belts at the corners, the sidewalls are free to come loose. Adam had a nice 18 mile walk after his went flat on him. And then a mile from his house after he got a spare was was driving home, the other side went flat.... At least he has very consistant tire wear side to side...
I would not drive on those....
I would not drive on those....
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Evan, Perhaps your viscious coupling was installed backwards and you have a mostly front wheel drive 993??
Seriously, I am at my place in Rowayton, CT for the next few days and the weather looks like crap so be careful!! By the way, do you have a front strut bar that might be too tight??
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Seriously, I am at my place in Rowayton, CT for the next few days and the weather looks like crap so be careful!! By the way, do you have a front strut bar that might be too tight??
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well.. I made it home from Gingerman (south haven, MI) to chicago back on april 3rd with about that much if not MORE cord showing on my former OLD BFG R1 FRONT tires (both sides)..
It was amazing I made it home, however.. because about an hour after pulling into the garage, I got a bubble buldge because it wore through the first set of cords to the second layer.. it wasn't pretty....
I consider myself exteremely lucky I made it home.. BTW: I drove 45mph in the right lane home.. it took a long time to get home
It was amazing I made it home, however.. because about an hour after pulling into the garage, I got a bubble buldge because it wore through the first set of cords to the second layer.. it wasn't pretty....
I consider myself exteremely lucky I made it home.. BTW: I drove 45mph in the right lane home.. it took a long time to get home
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When I did DE's and time trials in my 993, I had the oil changed, tires checked, brakes bled/pads replaced/new rotors (whatever was needed), and the alignment adjusted before every event. I never had problems with tires at the track, or after. It may seem like overkill to some to do the alignment this often (I did 6 to 12 track events per year--sometimes more), but time at the track is precious, and so is my safety, the safety of others who ride with me, and the safety of my car.
Driving at the track is expensive. Besides the actual cost of entering the gates, you've got hotels, food, gas, brakes, tires, oil, alignments, etc. Don't skimp. You'll regret it. If that sounds too expensive, then do fewer events, but don't skimp.
Driving at the track is expensive. Besides the actual cost of entering the gates, you've got hotels, food, gas, brakes, tires, oil, alignments, etc. Don't skimp. You'll regret it. If that sounds too expensive, then do fewer events, but don't skimp.