Kevin Reilly

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by johnfm:
<strong>ANy details on the Hergsheimer Collar - I expect this is like the Dopke spring perch is it - a re-designed collar which allows the spring to sit lower on the strut body??

Details anyone??</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"><a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=004441#000000" target="_blank">HERE</a> is the thread with the first mention of the Herge fabrication. The pics no longer load, though.

Craig W.

Let me make the suspension issue easy for you. There are really only 3 good choices right now:

1. Bilstein HD's and either US M030 or RoW M030, with the matching factory sway bars. Herge has the collars in now, so get them while you can.

2. PSS9's with factory RS adjustable sway bars

3. Full blown, wild *** racing stuff that starts at $5k and up. If you have a need for this type of set up, you would not be posting this question, you would be one of the people answering it.

If you will mainly street, with a few DE's, do option #1.

If you will do a lot of DE's, and intend to start time trialing or possibly try cup racing down the road, go for #2. Be careful of POC and PCA class changes with this suspension.

Cheers!

DC from Cape Cod

Craig,

Now I am confused.

Gert told me that Eibach springs and Bilstein HD shocks are a great combination and require no additional parts (collars, etc.).

Is this NOT correct?

Greg Fishman

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by DC from Cape Cod:
<strong>Now I am confused.

Gert told me that Eibach springs and Bilstein HD shocks are a great combination and require no additional parts (collars, etc.).

Is this NOT correct?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">This is 100% correct. Craig was referring to the M030 springs which are different than the Eibachs.

STLPCA

Keith
I'll ditto the favorable comments above re: Gert's ROW M030 w/HD setup. I think I've still got a write up at p-car. My usage & priorities are similar to yours. Although initially a bit disappointed w/the 3/4" or so drop, after living w/it for street & a few DEs, I've now decided it's an ideal compromise for my needs. IMO it looks good (pic in my sig) & rarely scrapes (best to get a FPB). Any lower & I'd have problems w/driveways, speedbumps, etc. in my urban driving. My shop safety wired the springs, but I've concluded from discussions w/others that it's not necessary.

DC from Cape Cod

Are the ROW springs better than the Eibachs?

If I went with the ROW springs would I need the collars?

I not only appreciate the help but I am also glad to learn that I am not the only person confused by this...

STLPCA

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by DC from Cape Cod:
<strong>Are the ROW springs better than the Eibachs?

If I went with the ROW springs would I need the collars?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">DC
I don't think either the Eibachs or ROW are "better," just different. Depends on your ride & height preferences.

You don't need the collars w/the ROW springs IF you are OK with a max drop of about 3/4" (see my car pic). If you want the car lower, you need the collar, to cut a coil, or different springs.

STLPCA

BTW, a point I forgot to make: I'm now on my 16" winter wheels & tires which have about a 1/2" smaller diameter than my 17s or 18s. This is the 1st winter since my ROW M030 w/HD install. The extra 1/2" drop w/these tires has caused me to scrape the FPB on several driveways where I've not had any prior problems.

hn

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Dan 96C2 St.Louis:
<strong>Keith
I'll ditto the favorable comments above re: Gert's ROW M030 w/HD setup. I think I've still got a write up at p-car. My usage & priorities are similar to yours. Although initially a bit disappointed w/the 3/4" or so drop, after living w/it for street & a few DEs, I've now decided it's an ideal compromise for my needs. IMO it looks good (pic in my sig) & rarely scrapes (best to get a FPB). Any lower & I'd have problems w/driveways, speedbumps, etc. in my urban driving. My shop safety wired the springs, but I've concluded from discussions w/others that it's not necessary.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I think I am very much happier now. Based on Dan's post and Viken's, the drop is between 3/4" and 7/8" without using the collars and that's just what I want (ROW+HD). Dan's picture of his car confirms it. Very nice, Dan.

My previous concern was: Gert's site said the drop for ROW Springs and HD is 2/5" to 3/5" and I had the impression that you need the collars to get to this drop.

Thx everyone.

rattlsnak

&gt;&gt;There are really only 3 good choices right now&lt;&lt;

Not true. Its oblivious to me on how people keep passing over the complete H&R coilover kit. They are H&R shocks, valved by Bilstein, with stiffer H&R springs. Not to be confused with H&R springs and Bilstein HDs-on Gerts site- I went round and round for a long time with this decesion myself before opting for the H&Rs. See my post on this subject just a few weeks ago for the details.

Mark in Hermosa

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Craig W.:
<strong> Be careful of POC and PCA class changes with this suspension. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Craig:

I have been trying to figure out POC rules on this one. I know you posted a concern a bit ago regarding the collar. Did you find anything out specific? I would like to know as I don't think my little 95 could handle a bump up in class at this point (OK, it's not the car, it's the driver, but you get the idea).

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

DC from Cape Cod

Can someone detail the differences between Bilstein HDs/Eibach springs and Bilstein HDs/ROW M030 springs?

Chris C.

Here's another viable option...the one I am taking. H&R coilovers. Cheaper than Pss-9 (with monoballs) fully sorted and matched. Good all around street and track, probably very close to the factory RS shock rates/performance.

I don't need the adjustability, even if the tender spring setup is nice.

Harold

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Terry Adams:
<strong>Harold, being in Singapore, is your car not already at RoW ride height?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Absolutely. However, the M030 springs and HD's could theoretically bring it lower than standard ROW ride height (my car has actually been set a couple mm higher than even the original ROW set up as I was told the suspension would settle and car would come down another 10mm or so---this has still not happened, and after seeing Dan's car, I think that I will readjust the car lower)....

DJF1

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by rattlsnak:
<strong>&gt;&gt;There are really only 3 good choices right now&lt;&lt;

Not true. Its oblivious to me on how people keep passing over the complete H&R coilover kit. They are H&R shocks, valved by Bilstein, with stiffer H&R springs. Not to be confused with H&R springs and Bilstein HDs-on Gerts site- I went round and round for a long time with this decesion myself before opting for the H&Rs. See my post on this subject just a few weeks ago for the details.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Here here.... and this is how the H&R coilover will look in your car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

<img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/sized993RSCSmod.JPG" alt=" - " />