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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 10:39 PM
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Hi all - quick one.. I want to get RS Mounts in my 1995 993 C2 UK, 6 speed manual. My mechanic (an experienced Indie shop) has said the following.. can anyone share their thoughts on this? I wasn't aware of such a limitation..

"you will need a replacement engine bracket as the mount heights are physically different. The engine bracket is no longer available as a spare part for this model."
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 11:04 PM
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If by “engine bracket” he means “engine carrier” then he is not correct. There is guidance, which is frequently debated, that the engine carrier needs to be reinforced if using RS mounts because of the addition stress the stiffer parts place on the system,
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by IHTFP
If by “engine bracket” he means “engine carrier” then he is not correct. There is guidance, which is frequently debated, that the engine carrier needs to be reinforced if using RS mounts because of the addition stress the stiffer parts place on the system,
Thanks IHTFP. Do you happen to know of a good thread or anywhere this may be documented?
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 11:35 PM
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http://www.jackals-forge.com/lotus/9.../rscarrier.htm

Mine failed so upgraded it via a retrofit of a reinforcement similar to the one above via Rothsport

https://www.rothsport.com/Products/E...ne-Carrier.htm

Rennline also makes a retrofit kit as well.
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Old Mar 20, 2020 | 12:01 AM
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Uhm no , mount heights are not physically different and unless your racing or stressing it somehow street driving shouldn't over stress the stock mounting bracket ...
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Mounts will fit fine, maybe get a new Indie instead?
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Old Mar 20, 2020 | 05:48 AM
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Having held both a stock engine carrier and a reinforced engine carrier (Rennline) in my hands, the difference in weight and bulk between them is significant. While a stock engine carrier may not fail with RS mounts, the $275 I spent to reinforce mine is good peace of mind.

And yes, get a new Indy!
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Old Mar 20, 2020 | 10:12 PM
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Once I saw a Porsche drop its engine on the track (Can’t remember 993/964) and then drag it all the way through turn one at Thunderhill. I can’t imagine the damage done in the process, LOTS of sparks everywhere! That’s all I needed to convince me to upgrade the mount. Certainly a lot cheaper than all the damage from dropping an engine.
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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MarinS4
Once I saw a Porsche drop its engine on the track (Can’t remember 993/964) and then drag it all the way through turn one at Thunderhill. I can’t imagine the damage done in the process, LOTS of sparks everywhere! That’s all I needed to convince me to upgrade the mount. Certainly a lot cheaper than all the damage from dropping an engine.
whoa! Ok I might just be convinced!!

Does anyone know anything about availability? My mechanic believes they might not be available any more.. any alternatives?

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https://www.rennline.com/Engine-Carr...SABEgJTzfD_BwE
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+993 for new wrench.
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This is a great product. Very easy to DIY and their $250 service isn't out of line given the full refinishing they do (and saving you the cost of buying a welder ..). The DIY is very satisfying...


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Originally Posted by samurai_k
http://www.jackals-forge.com/lotus/9.../rscarrier.htm

Mine failed so upgraded it via a retrofit of a reinforcement similar to the one above via Rothsport

https://www.rothsport.com/Products/E...ne-Carrier.htm

Rennline also makes a retrofit kit as well.
Not to say it happens to everyone, but here is a failure of the stock carrier... My car has a modified engine and had some track days early in its life. Rothsport repair and reinforcement looks like below which is similar to the rennline one suggested above.

Both Rennline and Rothsport will re powder coat the carrier to make it look nice again as well which is an added bonus to their shop service to weld the reinforcement on.

Anyways...back to your original question as we have digressed here a bit. The RS motor mounts will install with the stock carrier with no problems. Often the problem is getting the stock motor mount to come off if the nut is seized on the motor mount stud or the motor mount stud frees itself since the motor mount failed.

Depending on your driving style or upgrades in your car, you may want to consider one of the upgraded carriers as discussed above.

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Old Mar 22, 2020 | 06:19 PM
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Thanks everyone for your input. Aside from the fact my car is in pieces at the mechanic which is probably now closed due to Coronavirus, my biggest challenge is I’m in Australia and would love a local solution if there is one... any other ideas?!
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Take the engine carrier and trace it on a piece of cardboard. Then take that to a local metal shop as a stencil to fabricate a back plate for reinforcement.

Or just take the engine carrier if car will not get worked on and take that to a metal shop that is open.
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