Track tire pressure suggestions
04-24-2002, 03:43 AM
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First I woould like to thank everybody for their input. From reading all the posts I learned a lot. More than I bargined for.
My thinking is that regardless of the limits of the street tires I need to learn how to drive. The concerns of adding a track tire and it's potential of my getting into greater trouble is a good point and one that I respect. On the other hand I have found myself spending a lot of energy trying to control the car through turns that I feel it should be handling better than it is. I have been passed by far lessor cars and many of which I am certain were on street tires. The net there is I still have a lot to learn but I want to be sure the car is optimized so it is not interfering with my education.
I hadn't really considered the tire wear issue...although I should. After owning my car for 6 years I now find that I only really drive it for the track events. The 3 I have done has been over the past 6 months. I expect to do at least 3 more in the next 6 months. I should think about the economics if track tire wear is that extreme. I'll investigate the track tire set up. Other option is to replace the O2's with a track combo tire. Is there a good compromise?
Lastly my take away on the tire pressure seems to be in the 34/38 f/r when cold. I was at 30/38 when hot.
Thanks again for all your help.
Bob <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />
My thinking is that regardless of the limits of the street tires I need to learn how to drive. The concerns of adding a track tire and it's potential of my getting into greater trouble is a good point and one that I respect. On the other hand I have found myself spending a lot of energy trying to control the car through turns that I feel it should be handling better than it is. I have been passed by far lessor cars and many of which I am certain were on street tires. The net there is I still have a lot to learn but I want to be sure the car is optimized so it is not interfering with my education.
I hadn't really considered the tire wear issue...although I should. After owning my car for 6 years I now find that I only really drive it for the track events. The 3 I have done has been over the past 6 months. I expect to do at least 3 more in the next 6 months. I should think about the economics if track tire wear is that extreme. I'll investigate the track tire set up. Other option is to replace the O2's with a track combo tire. Is there a good compromise?
Lastly my take away on the tire pressure seems to be in the 34/38 f/r when cold. I was at 30/38 when hot.
Thanks again for all your help.
Bob <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />
04-24-2002, 02:29 PM
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I love this thread, sorry to be so late. I have to agree with others that you should stay with street tires for a while. I know how others feel, but personally, even Khumos are too much for a novice driver. After only 3 days, that is what Bob is.
Of course this is my opinion, but you asked. I would go through this season with some good steet tires like Greg suggested, hell, even spend some money on some track wheels, but just put street tires on them for now. Then, when you're ready, just put some good tires on em.
As for golf, there is not a club out there that would help my slice swing. And if I was learning (which is what I've been doing for 15 years) I still wouldn't go out and buy a set of Callaway irons. Besides, Good street tires aren't that bad.
E. J.
Of course this is my opinion, but you asked. I would go through this season with some good steet tires like Greg suggested, hell, even spend some money on some track wheels, but just put street tires on them for now. Then, when you're ready, just put some good tires on em.
As for golf, there is not a club out there that would help my slice swing. And if I was learning (which is what I've been doing for 15 years) I still wouldn't go out and buy a set of Callaway irons. Besides, Good street tires aren't that bad.
E. J.
04-24-2002, 03:16 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Hank Cohn:
<strong> I get that, but we aren’t talking about slicks here. Kumhos or Toyos are, in my opinion, fine for even a novice driver It has been my experience that Kumhos are very linear and exhibit no nasty habits at the limit or even beyond the limit. The biggest issue for me is cost.
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I don't disagree with you nor do I feel so strongly that I wouldn't instruct a beginner on R compounds. I would just worry about the driver using the tires as a crutch to make up for him being a novice. But everything is a trade off as Anir pointed out or we would all start off in karts or spec racers where you have to learn to drive first and carry momentum to be fast.
I can't believe that cost is the issue for a guy racing a Cup car
[quote]Originally posted by Hank Cohn:
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However, would you buy a crappy set of golf clubs to learn to golf, or a Wal-Mart tennis racquet to learn to play tennis.
I agree that baby steps are a good way to learn to drive, but those steps need to happen in rapid succession to get better at this sport.
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Yeah but if you learn the basics right it doesn't matter what type of golf clubs you swing you can still hit the ball. I bet I wouldn't win a game against Agassi if he played with my old Wilson T2000 and I had the latest and greatest racquet.
I think you can apply the same principle to driving, the greats will be great in anything with wheels. I personally want to drive a car that is less forgiving because it forces me to be smooth and to not rely on the car to fix my mistakes.
I agree if you really want to get better you have to do the right things and work on it more than at 3 or 4 schools a year, it all depends on what your goal is. I have improved quit a bit over the last couple years and it is mostly due to the fact that I get to the track every chance I get. I also get someone to ride with me or get a pro to drive my car and help me accelerate my learning curve.
[quote]<strong> I have just been sent a set of Toyo R compound tires and will post my findings after I use them. They are supposed to be a nice tire.
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Not had any direct experience with them but I have heard the same thing. They are squirmy when the are full tread but get faster as they wear in. I am waiting on their 18's to become available. Gives us some feedback when you get some time on them.
Greg
<strong> I get that, but we aren’t talking about slicks here. Kumhos or Toyos are, in my opinion, fine for even a novice driver It has been my experience that Kumhos are very linear and exhibit no nasty habits at the limit or even beyond the limit. The biggest issue for me is cost.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't disagree with you nor do I feel so strongly that I wouldn't instruct a beginner on R compounds. I would just worry about the driver using the tires as a crutch to make up for him being a novice. But everything is a trade off as Anir pointed out or we would all start off in karts or spec racers where you have to learn to drive first and carry momentum to be fast.
I can't believe that cost is the issue for a guy racing a Cup car
[quote]Originally posted by Hank Cohn:
<strong>
However, would you buy a crappy set of golf clubs to learn to golf, or a Wal-Mart tennis racquet to learn to play tennis.
I agree that baby steps are a good way to learn to drive, but those steps need to happen in rapid succession to get better at this sport.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah but if you learn the basics right it doesn't matter what type of golf clubs you swing you can still hit the ball. I bet I wouldn't win a game against Agassi if he played with my old Wilson T2000 and I had the latest and greatest racquet.
I think you can apply the same principle to driving, the greats will be great in anything with wheels. I personally want to drive a car that is less forgiving because it forces me to be smooth and to not rely on the car to fix my mistakes.
I agree if you really want to get better you have to do the right things and work on it more than at 3 or 4 schools a year, it all depends on what your goal is. I have improved quit a bit over the last couple years and it is mostly due to the fact that I get to the track every chance I get. I also get someone to ride with me or get a pro to drive my car and help me accelerate my learning curve.
[quote]<strong> I have just been sent a set of Toyo R compound tires and will post my findings after I use them. They are supposed to be a nice tire.
.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not had any direct experience with them but I have heard the same thing. They are squirmy when the are full tread but get faster as they wear in. I am waiting on their 18's to become available. Gives us some feedback when you get some time on them.
Greg
