Advices to prep car for Driver's Ed
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Dave,
Those Kumhos should serve you quite well. Pressing a car to the point where one or both of the ends is slipping is a very satisfying and instructive experience.
It is much better to learn the techniques of pushing your car to the limit, then reining it back in with corrections at the slowest speed possible. Much better than going faster and faster on race tires until they finally break loose, and then trying to figure out what the appropriate correction should be.
I predict your eyes will be opened after your first track weekend. Even on street tires you will be able to experience cornering speeds and forces you wouldn't dare attempt on the street, and that is more fun than words can express.
Do one, two, or three weekends, then start shopping for dedicated track tires. See what other people are using, ask them how they like them for traction, feedback, and longevity, and then make the purchase.
Those Kumhos should serve you quite well. Pressing a car to the point where one or both of the ends is slipping is a very satisfying and instructive experience.
It is much better to learn the techniques of pushing your car to the limit, then reining it back in with corrections at the slowest speed possible. Much better than going faster and faster on race tires until they finally break loose, and then trying to figure out what the appropriate correction should be.
I predict your eyes will be opened after your first track weekend. Even on street tires you will be able to experience cornering speeds and forces you wouldn't dare attempt on the street, and that is more fun than words can express.
Do one, two, or three weekends, then start shopping for dedicated track tires. See what other people are using, ask them how they like them for traction, feedback, and longevity, and then make the purchase.
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Lots of good advice for the first time guys. As a 15 year SCCA reg,nat,pro driver, your first weekend should have alot of watching and listening. Listen to the experienced guys as far as car prep. Good advice on the brakes, but also keep an eye on the wheel torque.Keep an eye on your oil level. Watch the fast guys, but DO NOT try to run with them..you will end up falling off the track and sitting on the roof. Learn the proper line and shift points..the speed will come with seat time. Don't worry about being slow..everyone starts out slow. Also, listen and watch your instructor..there is a reason he is the instructor. As far as on the track, WATCH you mirrors..the faster drivers will be lapping you before you know it. Watch how fast they take the turns and over the season slowly work toward that. Remember to STAY ON THE RACING LINE when getting lapped..that way the overtaking driver will know where you are gonna be. Also, and its hard at first, is to drive the track..don't drive braking point to braking point(very common mistake). As far as helmets, spend whatever you think your head is worth. I hit the guardrail coming out of the inner loop at the Glen during a Grand American race at 120+ in a Swift S2000 SR car and the left front wheel hit me in the head still attached to the tub. If I would have had a cheap helmet, I would probably be eating from a straw. Have fun and keep the shiny side up.
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Originally posted by Novice
One question, I currently have the traditional clear/yellow fluid. Which brand do you guys use and how much minimum do I need to buy to do a complete flush.
One question, I currently have the traditional clear/yellow fluid. Which brand do you guys use and how much minimum do I need to buy to do a complete flush.
Either ATE 200 or ATE Super Blue are fine (same stuff other than blue dye). Best source I've found is FCP Groton (no affiliation). Your C4S takes between 1-2 cans, so buy 2 for each flush. I alternate blue/amber making it simple to tell when the old fluid is out.
Ditto on using street tires for, at least, your first few (or more) DEs.
New brake pad thicknesses are listed in the shop manual which is at home. Hopefully, someone will post it for you.
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New front brake pads = 11mm
New rear brake pads = 12mm
Porsche's minimum is 2mm, although the wear sensors begin to get ground down at 2.5mm & should activate the warning light before 2mm.
You'll want to stay above 50% of pad material remaining for DEs.
New rear brake pads = 12mm
Porsche's minimum is 2mm, although the wear sensors begin to get ground down at 2.5mm & should activate the warning light before 2mm.
You'll want to stay above 50% of pad material remaining for DEs.
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Originally posted by Dan 96C2 St.Louis
New front brake pads = 32mm
New rear brake pads = 24mm
New front brake pads = 32mm
New rear brake pads = 24mm
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Originally posted by Novice
25mm as in 25.4mm = 1 Inch ? I guess that is the thickness of the braking pad plus the metal backing.
25mm as in 25.4mm = 1 Inch ? I guess that is the thickness of the braking pad plus the metal backing.
Thanks for catching my error. I had a brain fart brought on by an evening of too much lobster & liquor & posted disc (rotor) thicknesses. I've edited my original post to the correct brake pad material thicknesses: 11mm (F) & 12mm (R).
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Who and where is the pre-track day inspection be done ? at what cost ?
I plan to bleed the brake system myself ( I have the pressure bleeder). I hope I don't need to show a receipt for the service
I am new to P-Car, do you happen to know of a reputable independent shop in southern Fairfirld county ? I live in Stamford, and work in Milford.
Are the spaces very limited per event. and I should register as soon as your registration form is available on the web. ( I will be checking daily )
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Originally posted by Dan 96C2 St.Louis
Gerry
Thanks for catching my error. I had a brain fart brought on by an evening of too much lobster & liquor & posted disc (rotor) thicknesses. I've edited my original post to the correct brake pad material thicknesses: 11mm (F) & 12mm (R).
Gerry
Thanks for catching my error. I had a brain fart brought on by an evening of too much lobster & liquor & posted disc (rotor) thicknesses. I've edited my original post to the correct brake pad material thicknesses: 11mm (F) & 12mm (R).
Tried a search w/o getting an answer. I'd like to know the new rotor thickness for the front & rear rotors for a 1995 993. Can someone please post it.
TIA,
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Originally posted by Tom T.
Dan (or anyone else),
Tried a search w/o getting an answer. I'd like to know the new rotor thickness for the front & rear rotors for a 1995 993. Can someone please post it.
TIA,
Tom
Dan (or anyone else),
Tried a search w/o getting an answer. I'd like to know the new rotor thickness for the front & rear rotors for a 1995 993. Can someone please post it.
TIA,
Tom
Front 30.6 wear limit 30mm
Rear 22.6 wear limit=22mm
Thickness tolerance of brake disc, max. 0.02 mm
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Originally posted by Tom T.
Dan (or anyone else),
Tried a search w/o getting an answer. I'd like to know the new rotor thickness for the front & rear rotors for a 1995 993. Can someone please post it.
Dan (or anyone else),
Tried a search w/o getting an answer. I'd like to know the new rotor thickness for the front & rear rotors for a 1995 993. Can someone please post it.
Originally posted by Novice
Front 30.6 wear limit 30mm
Rear 22.6 wear limit=22mm
Front 30.6 wear limit 30mm
Rear 22.6 wear limit=22mm
My shop manual lists:
New front rotor = 32mm
New rear rotor = 24mm
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At our DE last week at the Streets Of Willow, Mark Hergesheimer recommended that pads be replaced on a tracked car when they get to just under 1/2 of original thickness. This is because the pads will be subject to far greater heat stress on the track than they ever will be on the street, and a thin pad, which is technically within factory specs, will transfer too much heat to your brake fluid. It's kind of a cost of doing business when tracking your car.
I believe Anir reported a loss of brakes once due to this happening.
I believe Anir reported a loss of brakes once due to this happening.
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....another little tip for you.
If possible, see if you can find an in-car video shot at that track on the Internet. It's a good way to help you orient yourself with a new track.
....oh yeah, and it's a great to waste time when you're supposed to be running a business!
If possible, see if you can find an in-car video shot at that track on the Internet. It's a good way to help you orient yourself with a new track.
....oh yeah, and it's a great to waste time when you're supposed to be running a business!