Differences in a 3.8?
#16
Drifting
#17
Rennlist Member
Thinking out of the box here. I haven't seen Ken post much but he does have a SW built motor from that faux RS. Will he be willing to part with that motor at a decent price and you will have to remap the ecu to accommodate for Emissions. Timeline is fast and local to you. Motor is basically plug and play
#21
Drifting
^ yes, you can hear the Varioram do its thing through the RPM's. I have the motorsound air box cover, so maybe this enhances the sound, but you can clearly hear the Varioram adjustments around 5k RPM and again around 6k RPM when you are hard on the throttle.
#22
Three Wheelin'
That's cool. I have motorsound as well and I love the unique noises that come from my car's butt. Don't have a 95 to compare to, so not sure which sounds are unique to varioram. I imagine intake noise would be different and it certainly sounds different than my 92 used to.
#23
Rennlist Member
The sounds that differentiate the non- from the varioram are due to the intake runner tubes lengthening at around 3500 rpm (well thats where its set at on my car). The non- car does not have these tubes that lengthen the intake runners, but both intakes have the resonance flap and thats why at higher rpms, the non- and varioram cars dont show much difference in torque.
#24
RL Technical Advisor
The sounds that differentiate the non- from the varioram are due to the intake runner tubes lengthening at around 3500 rpm (well thats where its set at on my car). The non- car does not have these tubes that lengthen the intake runners, but both intakes have the resonance flap and thats why at higher rpms, the non- and varioram cars dont show much difference in torque.
Its about 25-30 lbs-ft and thats significant.
Factory settings have the stacks shortening at 5250 and the resonance flap opening shortly after that.
You can really see the difference on a dyno plot overlay between the two engines.
#25
I found this website to be very useful in explaining engine rebuild options:
http://www.instant-g.com/products/36...h-about-3-8s-2
Especially the table at the bottom comparing torque and hp gains for different tiers of engine upgrades.
If anything this just makes me want to install a V-RAM intake while the engine is out. They have a great write-up regarding the vario-ram too:
http://www.instant-g.com/products/36...ation/varioram
http://www.instant-g.com/products/36...h-about-3-8s-2
Especially the table at the bottom comparing torque and hp gains for different tiers of engine upgrades.
If anything this just makes me want to install a V-RAM intake while the engine is out. They have a great write-up regarding the vario-ram too:
http://www.instant-g.com/products/36...ation/varioram
Those values seem a little high, "...if you take a 993 and add cams and valves you are at 325."
#26
Drifting
And according to that chart, by adding a free-flow exhaust and tune on a VRAM 3.6, one has virtually the same hp, and more torque than a factory stock 3.8.
Infinitely better bang for the buck going that route!
Infinitely better bang for the buck going that route!
#28
#29
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The added displacement is always welcome but I would spend my money elsewhere. Hotter RS cams and bumping the compression by shaving heads/cylinders would make for a perky motor. I would also retro fit cam gears for more precise cam timing. This is not to be over looked! As mentioned earlier VRAM is really a nice feature. It's the best thing we have going to flatten the torque of a 2 valve non VVT motor.
Do all that and then add turbos if you really want to be a ballar!
Do all that and then add turbos if you really want to be a ballar!
Last edited by MarinS4; 09-21-2017 at 01:39 AM.
#30
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If I thought the turbo option could last factory MTBF (ish) and withstand track duty, I'd do the ProtoMotive Stage 2 (500+ HP). But I just don't see it lasting like that off the street.
"retro for cam gears"?
"retro for cam gears"?