2020 NEXT GENERATION 992 SPY PICS & RELEASE
#556
#557
IMO it’ll be akin to a future 993; a classic 911 breed going down in history as the last and best of a long standing and historic breed (N/A 911’s). I’d love to keep mine for the very long haul too. 991.1’s will be increasingly appreciated cars (as they already have become since .2’s came out). I guess once my warranty is up, I’ll make that decision. Which in itself favors N/A (less expensive drivetrain parts to worry about).
Yes. F/I models with atrocious lag, tranny and pedal response? That Maserati?
#558
#559
When you step on the throttle and there is a "lag" in responsiveness, that is the turbo lag enthusiasts are referring to that is commonly found in FI platforms. I have never heard of peak power being in the higher RPM's referred to as "lag" before.
My old R35 GTR had way more power than my 991S but the throttle response was always lacking. I much prefer to have a very responsive car that I have to work to exctract the power vs a higher hp/tq output that comes sooner but with a slight delay.
IMO It just feels extremely disconnected and takes away from the overall driving experience. Plus I like being able to rev a car all the way out vs having to shift early because I'm already breaking local speeding laws.
But again, this is all just person preference and there are great arguments to be made on both sides.
#560
I love my PDK right now because it can do everything so much better than I could. However, some days, I do wish it were a manual. But when I drive my GTI with a manual, I am reminded of why I went with the PDK. Unless the manual gearbox is set up how I prefer (with fast shifts), it takes the fun out of it for me. The GTI has awful rev hang that makes it frustrating to drive. Even my Camaro had some rev hang that kept me from driving it how I would like. My '99 boxster has the best gearbox I have ever driven, fast shifts and a slightly heavier clutch pedal. I would be concerned that I would be so absorbed in finding ways to fine tune the manual gearbox in the 991 that it would take the fun away.
#561
My thoughts exactly... I didn't realize people confused throttle response with the motor's power output.... 911's have always made their power in the higher RPM's and that has been part of its charm for the last 50 years.
When you step on the throttle and there is a "lag" in responsiveness, that is the turbo lag enthusiasts are referring to that is commonly found in FI platforms. I have never heard of peak power being in the higher RPM's referred to as "lag" before.
My old R35 GTR had way more power than my 991S but the throttle response was always lacking. I much prefer to have a very responsive car that I have to work to exctract the power vs a higher hp/tq output that comes sooner but with a slight delay.
IMO It just feels extremely disconnected and takes away from the overall driving experience. Plus I like being able to rev a car all the way out vs having to shift early because I'm already breaking local speeding laws.
But again, this is all just person preference and there are great arguments to be made on both sides.
When you step on the throttle and there is a "lag" in responsiveness, that is the turbo lag enthusiasts are referring to that is commonly found in FI platforms. I have never heard of peak power being in the higher RPM's referred to as "lag" before.
My old R35 GTR had way more power than my 991S but the throttle response was always lacking. I much prefer to have a very responsive car that I have to work to exctract the power vs a higher hp/tq output that comes sooner but with a slight delay.
IMO It just feels extremely disconnected and takes away from the overall driving experience. Plus I like being able to rev a car all the way out vs having to shift early because I'm already breaking local speeding laws.
But again, this is all just person preference and there are great arguments to be made on both sides.
#563
Race Car
Yeah, I like the Mission E, too. The 992 doesn't look that great in disguised form. I definitely don't like the hood line and flatter front and tail, but it could all change by next year and be something really cool. We just need to wait and see.
#564
#565
There is no way its going to look really close to that, as there are all sorts of things on a concept car like that, which just aren't feasible on a production car. The goal is simply to make it look good and generally resemble the concept. If they achieve that, and assuming the car actual performs well, they'll have a winner. But it's never going to look exactly like the concept. Nothing ever does.
#566
Burning Brakes
The only recent production car that looked just like its concept predecessor was the Fisker Karma.
With the footprint of a 7-series and the interior space of a 3-series, among its many other problems, it did't work out well at all.
With the footprint of a 7-series and the interior space of a 3-series, among its many other problems, it did't work out well at all.
#567
I think you'll find there are plenty of happy .2 owners out there.
Ultimately, I don't think you'll be disappointed as the 992 will have the 9A2 with the base model delivering 425HP with 500Nm, the S will be ~ 450HP with 550Nm and the GTS will have ~ 475HP with >550Nm. Standard Porsche operating procedure. .
Perhaps the most important chore for Porsche with respect to the 992 - is weight reduction and split (its a given PDK, suspension, infotainment, EAS and tires will be tweaked). It will be incrementally better than the 991.2 - business as usual
Last edited by randr; 10-12-2017 at 07:09 AM.
#568
Race Director
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by -Ryan-
I (naively) was thinking the Mission E would be relatively close to the concept when it came out in 2020 but based on the test mules out there it looks like it's going to look much more like a panamera. Like a panamera/mission e concept mixed together.
Exactly ...
#570
Rennlist Member
Yeah, that's a Mission E mule they're disguising to look like a Panamera in my opinion.
I think given the reaction the Mission E got potential buyers will be put off if they don't get closer than the mule.
As for my wish for more Mission E styling I was primarily hoping that the nose and lighting would be stolen from it for the 911, not the whole design
I think given the reaction the Mission E got potential buyers will be put off if they don't get closer than the mule.
As for my wish for more Mission E styling I was primarily hoping that the nose and lighting would be stolen from it for the 911, not the whole design