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Old 09-07-2018, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by phow View Post
Really quick PS render but this most likely what the front end will look like:

It’ll be good for catching the elusive land krill...
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:53 PM
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The spoiler is awful... It's fixed wing or nothing for me. I have a duck tail on my 991.1 and the only 991.2 I would buy is a GT3 or Turbo. I HATE the deployable trunk wing. When ever I see it on the current generation it just looks unfinished and out of place.

If the 992 doesn't have a fixed wing option (which I know the GT cars most likely will), I will be very torn on what to do next. I hope they figured out the cooling issue so the duck tail can make a come back
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Old 09-07-2018, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post

It’ll be good for catching the elusive land krill...
Based on the leak, I hate to say it but I think this is it...


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Old 09-07-2018, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by captainkirk View Post
I am sure Porsche will allow this spoiler...and when the 992.2 comes out...it will be fixed. Hence people will sell their 992.1 and buy the 992.2.

Look what happened to the 996...the headlights...yes...fixed for 997 (and I am assuming it sold way more than the 996).
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/prod...ons-13735.html

The 997 did sell more than the 996 but until that time the 996 was , i believe, the best selling 911 of all time.

Call me crazy but I loved my 996 and found little to be offended about. It was a logical and much needed refresh , it was small , I thought it looked great once the clear turn markers came into play in 2000 , it sounded great, drove extremely well and felt very much like a focused , pure and dedicated sports car. Probably because it was produced in a time when Porsche still had their head on straight and weren’t taking design objectives from the other questionable vehicles in their line up ( because they had none at the time to become side tracked with )
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:05 PM
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The ducktail is dead. Not a chance it will ever be seen again. Doesn't work with these turbo cars.
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by phow View Post
Really quick PS render but this most likely what the front end will look like:

Looks better with the painted uprights uncovered.

Oh well there's always vinyl wrapping.
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by _fletch View Post
I have actually never seen them run a full cage on a consumer 911 on the ring, certainly not during a manufacturers pool-day. That, and the fact they are going to these lengths on a non-GT car is just odd.
I can't speak for cage size on the 'ring. I haven't paid that much attention. However, I do seem to recall seeing pictures of test-car Porsches in the non-'ring wild with full cages. Maybe with the hideous engine hood extended they're expecting so much downforce that the cage is a necessary precaution. LOL.

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No, the ducktail doesn't wrap around and cut off the rear quarter upper edge line that runs to the rear or the car. This spoiler is just epic-ly bad. Look at that side view, look at the hard end of the C pillar, it just stops. Tell me that doesn't just look like an open rear trunk. Honestly, we can debate all day about purity, size, etc., but that spoiler is beyond debate. It's just plain awful and it takes a real emperors-new-clothes approach to argue differently.
Archi, chill I didn't write that I thought it looked good just that it's an indication of how the duck tail might look. If you look at the side-view in this post

https://rennlist.com/forums/992/9734...l#post15273050

and mentally trace the outline it does look like a duck tail.

And yeah, all the gaps at the rear when it's open are monumentally unattractive.

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As for the spoiler, no modern Porsche looks good with its spoiler extended,
Please amend your statement to exclude the most-awesomely-handsome extendible spoiler on the Turbo models or I'll place the following curse on you: may your spoiler fail, irrevocably, in the up position.

Otherwise, I agree, the non-capital-T-Turbo 911s do not look good when the spoiler is erect. I don't think I've ever seen a car with an extendible piece-of-the-bodywork spoiler that looked good.
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by STG View Post
The ducktail is dead. Not a chance it will ever be seen again. Doesn't work with these turbo cars.
Oh? Explain how the flow over the intercooler inlets is different between a fixed spoiler and when the 'hood' is open at speed?



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Old 09-07-2018, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928
Oh? Explain how the flow over the intercooler inlets is different between a fixed spoiler and when the 'hood' is open at speed?



Under the open clam, there is some sort of venting and airflow something or another. There's something going on there. It's not just the airflow over the rear grill inlets.
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by STG View Post
Under the open clam, there is some sort of venting and airflow something or another. There's something going on there. It's not just the airflow over the rear grill inlets.
Easy, make a vented ducktail.

Like this, but without the wing:



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Old 09-07-2018, 11:41 PM
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There's more going on under the clam. A vented duck won't cut it. Might as well forget about that wish.
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:51 PM
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It’s gonna be so good in terms of downforce that Porsche will start selling T shirts that say ‘Fear the Clam’
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by STG View Post
Under the open clam, there is some sort of venting and airflow something or another. There's something going on there. It's not just the airflow over the rear grill inlets.
What is it then? Ether flow? Dark Magic? Failure to understand the practical engineering differences between compressible and incompressible fluid theory?

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Easy, make a vented ducktail.
Exactly. It might not be, pedantically, a "Duck Tail" with all of the accompanying 'historical glory', but it is certainly possible to engineer a fixed rear wing. If this was not the case the little-T-Turbo 911s wouldn't work with the trunk lid extended.

Res ipsa loquitur I believe.

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There's more going on under the clam. A vented duck won't cut it. Might as well forget about that wish.
Porsche may have reasons for not pursuing an 'aerokit wing' or a reminiscent-of-a-duck-tail wing but those reasons are not due to engineering. The accountants may have looked at the 'take-rate' for the aerokit and ducktail options, done an ROI and told the Marketing folks to faggedaboutit. Or, it might be due to fuel economy on the standard tests (which, I will bet, but do not know, don't exceed the programmed speed at which the trunk lid deploys.)


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Old 09-08-2018, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
It’s gonna be so good in terms of downforce that Porsche will start selling T shirts that say ‘Fear the Clam’
LOL. Nice.


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Old 09-08-2018, 12:03 AM
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Listen, these guys can't even design a proper shifter. Some engineering marvel like a DUCK on a turbo?? Way over their heads.

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