I don't think a Tesla is comparable to a 911, but if you find value in how fast a car gets to sixty, that's fine. However, put a Tesla on a track and see how many laps you get. Then try to fit four people in a base 911. You will see they are apples to oranges.

We all know about the price increases on Porsches and why. Sad, but I don't think you can shake a finger at Porsche any more than you can blame a hot market for a base 911. Wait a few months. If the economy keeps driving downward you should find deals on the lot.

 

the Tesla is sterile. But still fun in performance form. Non gt 992 is somewhat bland. Gt is amazing. Gt or bust.

 

Great to hear. On Saturday, we actually test drove a Laramie with the lower output Hurricane engine and the Limited with the high out Hurricane engine. Very impressive trucks and immensely better dealership experience.

Now back to Porsches......

 

I thinks it’s highly unlikely that anyone seriously shopping a Porsche is cross-shopping a Tesla. Two different worlds. This debate is about as useful as the PDK -vs- MT debate that never goes away.

DaveGee

 

So, two Friday's ago, the dealership that I have purchased two 911's from sent me an email asking if I was still interested in a GT3 Touring. I called him back right away and he told me that he did have an allocation for a January 2026 build. He told me they were asking for a $50,000 ADM or best offer. I said I was not willing to do a $50K ADM but asked him to talk to his sales manager and let me know where I needed to be. He said he would do that but he was sure that it would have to be "north of $30K" and he would get back with me the next business day. The next day he reached out and said they would do $30K over and would assign me the allocation and place the order later that day. He asked me to send a photo of my drivers license and my build configuration right away which I did. All correspondence was via email. That evening I get a call from the salesperson that he had "bad news" since the dealership GM said they could not do the deal. No reason other than that. I complained to Porsche USA and they must have reached out to the dealership. Several days later the dealership sales manager called me to explain the dealers account of what happened. He stated, "first off your salesperson lied to you on at least two different occasions". Really? It was not a pleasant conversation after that and the kicker was he said "you should have called me first with the complaint". Having owned 5 different porches (2 being GT3's) I must admit I'm done with playing the Porsche dealership games.

 

I'm not, and I wasn't implying that. I'm just saying the increasingly crazy prices you have to pay for an underpowered base Carrera are made all the more bare when you compare it to the other car. Not saying porsche was ever a value play. But you really have to stretch yourself more and more to justify their prices. Especially as the experience gets less and less exciting as the nannies/turbos/hybrids/weight continue to be added at a dizzying pace.

 

Okkkkk sooooo what was the outcome? What was the lie? ADM? No ADM? $30k? Less than $30k? MSRP for giving Porsche your money 5 times? You’re a horrible story teller.

 

ADM no ADM, that’s all personal preference. I personally don’t think Porsche makes a special enough car to pay a penny over MSRP. GT/RS cars are special for sure but not special enough to pay to play, at least to me. And yes, I’ve driven them all but the GT2RS. To each their own.

 

Liar? Nice try. No story here....All true experience. What was the outcome? No car for me and a weak apology. I'm not really sure what the lies were the salesperson supposedly told me...maybe no actual allocation available, wasn't authorized to do the deal. Hell if I know, the sales manager really didn't explain it. My guess is someone offered something over the $30k after salesperson confirmed my deal via email.

 

I didn’t call you a liar. I said you’re a horrible story teller…poking fun at you (…e.g….you didn’t tell us the outcome, just left us with a cliffhanger). I think it’s highly likely they sold to a higher bidder.

 

my guess too. Thats too low for a touring. Most winged still seem to be going for 30-50k over.

 

Wow...glad you got the car you wanted for a good price. My buddy had similar experience last year in his quest for a 992.1 TTS, Ended up getting used of course but still paid I think like $20-25k more than avg selling price and they wanted him to get the "extras" and it was a used 2023. He did get an allocation for the new 2026 TTS which he just got the call on and probably will turn down as the current car is enough for him plus the amount of "extra" they required increased exponentially. Good for you for standing by what you wanted...sometimes this ADM stuff is getting just cray-cray!
Yes you can't help but to get emotional about some of these cars...we're human but yes like the saying goes..its business NOT personal. Just its personal business in most cases with these cars...and yes agree at some point you just need to know when to walk away. In any dealer-client-car negotiation action I ALWAYS know what I am willing to pay for the car and what is my I am done part....don't mind them making money but it needs to be reasonable. If we can get to a point where I am in my numbers (which are always fair and based on market both local and nationwide) then we're good. If not they get to keep the car as at this point with multiple cars in the garage...its NOT a need and I do have a way home which I always remind them.
1st part of the convo always is usually 1) my car driving/purchase history so they understand I've been with the brand for 20+ yrs owning multiple cars (often I know MORE about the cars than some of the salespersons) and 2) what I am looking for vehicle wise and that I've checked the inventory but am willing to see what else they may have 3) most importantly is that while I may be a local buyer now...I don't have to be IF I find what I am looking for later...that's called either a Road Trip OR a call to an autotransporter (after COVID19 almost all dealers should understand that an online sale and transport is an easy transaction)...so yes I am willing to buy but also willing to travel. One way air fares are easy.
Yes alot of guys/gals in the current generation either cannot purchase due to the economics of their situation or workforce (lost of young 20-30s unable to find that great 1st career job...many want to be content creators to get to greatness) and a lot seem to feel Uber, Waymo cars and Lyft are better and more economical transport wise....they'd rather take a trip to Dubai or some island twice a year or to London to see a Taylor Swift concert than own a car yet alone a Porsche. But yes at the price of the base ($200k almost) plus the way they are optioned and some of the new 992.2s...I've seen a GTS for $220k and am like WOW...that's a used Huracan! Even the new Aston Martin Vantage V8 has gone from nice and obtainable at $120k when it started upscale to OMG at $180-200k. I fear soon no one will be able to afford these cars other than a select few. So my 2021 992.1 is a keeper for sure now
My guess is that he was NOT authorized to do the deal at that AMD or it had to go by the GM who would rather keep the car till he got the MOST $$ for it and the bottom line.
Highest bidder...my buddy had the same thing happen to him with Porsche Tacoma on a GT4 years ago...and he'd already had the car ordered and in production and about to be shipped when all of a sudden the deal was NOT the deal anymore. Tracked it on Rennlist to a guy later who got it at delivery who said the dealer said the original guy backed out (not the case)...interestingly he paid more $$ for it that my friend. Dealers will be dealers...at least some. We should patronize and reward the ones who do right and fair and leave the other ones to those who are ok with how they run things,
Yeah here seen a few lightly used and the prices still were almost $-280-300k range for them. Nice to look at but I just cannot! I can have like my 992.1 and two other cars for that! LOL

 

My personally speced base 2024 992.1 was not exactly a stripper, but had less than $20k in options and was purchased at MSRP. My 2017 991.2 C2S MT, on the other hand was a real stripper, with less than $3k in options and was purchased at 5% below MSRP. Seems unreal today, but what goes up may come down, sometimes rather suddenly.

 

If your wife has a veto, what does it matter if you are, as you say, a 1% er. You still can't get what you want.