Im hearing that a lot of dealers in markets outside of NYC, South Florida and California are having a harder time moving cars locally. Once these dealers have to sell out of market out of necessity the ADM game will quickly collapse in the bigger markets.

 

If you look at the financials released a few weeks ago the q3 sales for 911 in USA were down around 16% YoY. There are tons of 25s sitting there. Gt3s are coming to lots not pre sold. Market is softening. May see more discounted maintenance plans before straight discounts.

 

Is this now Fletcher Jones? They wanted $20k ADM for a New 2025 GTS on the lot a couple months ago and indicated at least as much to order. I didn't ask about the C2S but there are a number of dealers in Socal that don't charge ADM's on those models. Found one dealer that would discount a 2026 GTS on the lot in the past week. Markets change and all dealers are different. Congrats on the 5%.

 

It was bought out be FJ or Autonation. I can’t quite remember. During the buyout, my salesman and the GM were two of the many who were fired. At the time, mark-up on a C2S was $30k, so 5% off MSRP was a steal.

 

FJ bought them. Autonation own Newport Beach and Irvine.

 

absurd. No GT car “comes to a lot unsold” unless a person that spec’d the car bailed.

 

could be only time will tell

 

BS thread. One person says they got a discounted 2025 car but no details re spec, mandatory add ons, trade in values, financing, etc. Certainly could be a true discounted car but no details to substantiate.

Nothing else here but speculation, ancient history, and wishful thinking.

Market still seems to be MSRP at best for 'ordinary' 911s and ADM on anything remotely special.

Data or it didn't happen.

 

straight msrp isn't bad, imo
was just seeing if discounts are attainable
absolutely will depend on dealer to dealer, but reality is that even Porsche is suffering from sales
and to get a $5k discount, but have to pay $7k for a $3500 ppf job, isnt really a discount
if a trade-in was involved, no point in even hearing about the deal. Too many factors play into that

 

I didn't ask about pricing, but I was at a dealership today. They had unsold dealer spec 2026 911's enroute/available as well as confirmed allocations for November builds available for either an S or a GTS. Those models make up a significant portion of total sales and if allocations are easily available with no wait, it does suggest demand no longer exceeds supply and we might soon start seeing some discounts.

 

Those Dealer spec cars are usually unsold prior to delivery and sit in the showroom really as advertisement. The dealer gets a huge discount on options when ordered, so most of the time they are pretty loaded and priced accordingly. Dealers ordering spec cars lately has died down since the dealer has to purchase the car from PCNA at delivery...just like any other customer. Most of these are either customer cancellations after lock but prior to production or special incentive cars given by corporate to build a car. Even after an official customer lock date, a dealer has the ability to request a unlock prior to production. 992 allocations are like cash to a dealer...they do not get wasted. On rare occasions the dealer will use the allocation and build the car, or the allocation is exchanged with another dealer for a vehicle trade.

Not sure about the confirmed November build allocations...we are in late October and if those cars are really November builds, then they are already close to being past their lock dates. T, S and GTS allocations are not that easy to get right now and most dealers even though they receive notification of possible incoming allocations usually 30-60 days in advance, most will not see huge volume of T, S or GTS allocations.... probably only a handful of each usually on a semiannual basis. It doesn't help that the dealer has no idea what type of allocation is coming until notification. As for total sales...992 models do not make up a significant portion of dealer sales.... they just don't get enough allocations. SUV's, 4 door sedans and 981's are a dealer's "meat and potatoes".

As for demand and discounts...I don't see any meaningful discounts happening anytime soon since demand still exceeds allocations being released. Waiting list are shorter than what dealers are used to, but they still have allocation list for most 992 models. Porsche has already announced reduced production (allocations) and increase pricing, so I don't think they will reverse course on those actions.

 

My post wasn't directed at you. It certainly is good to ask questions to assess the market and it never hurts to ask an informed question about discounts at a dealer. And we agree regarding the ways 'discounts' can be faked.

The mistaken hypothesis is that Porsche is struggling for 911 sales and prices are dropping or will drop. Yes, they have plenty of problems now and OVERALL sales and margin are down. China, tariffs, overbet on EVs, etc. are hurting them.

When you narrow it down to the North American market for 911s, however, demand still outstrips supply and prices are holding at MSRP or ADM depending on car, geography, history with dealer, etc. And that's the topic of the thread.

The 911 price structure is not collapsing because someone saw a few on Autotrader. That's wishful thinking and why I called BS.

'I'm hearing....' and 'I was in a dealership but didn't ask about prices....' but then saying they're going to drop is a reach. As you learn in Business 101, hope is not a strategy.

SK911 has laid out the current 911 market very well in the post above. People seriously thinking about a purchase but hoping to time it for a discount would do well to absorb this reality check. The only thing that will drop prices is a market collapse ala 2008 - 9 when luxury spending dries up. And no one wants that. Losing a few million in the market to save $10k on a car is not a win.

 

I may have been wrong. Porsche Tampa appears to be selling leftovers at MSRP, and they still have 2024s: https://www.porschetampa.com/new-veh...8-323b8e1ab59c

 

They don’t have a sticker or build sheet for any of those 2024’s listed but the prices appear to be well over MSRP. The Targa4s is listed st $269,000 for a 24. I just built a 26 Targa 4S that’s about to built with a **** load of options and after the significant price increases and it was $241,000.

 

If you look under "Payment Options" for each car, you will see it shows the MSRP and Cash price as the same. One would have to inquire on a specific model for details.