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I get that but the bottom line also has to be that the tune does far more for an S than it could ever do for a GTS since the 30hp gets gobbled up off the top, then and only then - the actual tune given the tune doesnt keep a 30hp spread making the GTS a poor financial decision.Originally Posted by Tobeit
Well, it's all in the language, but it does either go to a non-tuned GTS (version 1) or to a tuned GTS (version 2). Both bring it up to a "GTS"...
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Porsche intentionally de-tuned the S so it's only a software difference, mechanically exactly the same. Tuned they make the same amount of power. It shows it right on the Softronic site.
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had I considered this, I probably would have shopped an S and saved the 60kOriginally Posted by dg108
Porsche intentionally de-tuned the S so it's only a software difference, mechanically exactly the same. Tuned they make the same amount of power. It shows it right on the Softronic site.
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Just wanted to do an update since having the tune installed. It’s hard to believe we were shut down all last week with below freezing temps and ice on the ground and today it’s 80*!
I have not had a lot of seat time with the new tune but driving my normal routes (some spirited) I can say that with the @Softronic tune, the car feels more smoother. Someone had commented previously that the car is like stock but more than stock.
My previous tune felt as if it was never smooth comparing it to this one. Letting off the throttle and slowing down or accelerating at low speeds was always jerky. Don’t get me wrong the previous tune brought the car to life and the support from them has always been on par. I did go through 5-6 revisions but it was never just right.
Once the weather stays warmer and I get some more seat time I’ll write another update.
I have not had a lot of seat time with the new tune but driving my normal routes (some spirited) I can say that with the @Softronic tune, the car feels more smoother. Someone had commented previously that the car is like stock but more than stock.
My previous tune felt as if it was never smooth comparing it to this one. Letting off the throttle and slowing down or accelerating at low speeds was always jerky. Don’t get me wrong the previous tune brought the car to life and the support from them has always been on par. I did go through 5-6 revisions but it was never just right.
Once the weather stays warmer and I get some more seat time I’ll write another update.
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But the opposite is also true. Many options available on the 992.1S were not available on the 992.1 GTS or T. From the factory, the GTS brought you bigger front brakes, helper springs (stiffer ride) and +30 hp via factory tune. But, the downside was less options available on the configurator for the GTS (or T). Not an issue for some. Big issue for others. You could also only get one style of 5 lug wheel on the 992.1 GTS which some (including me) thought ugly. In the 992.1 “old days”, you could also configure an S identical to a T but with more HP and full option choices to select from on the 992.1. So you could effectively order an upgraded T with more factory HP. One of the advantages of the 992.1 is the buyer had much more flexibility to configure what was wanted.Originally Posted by dg108
GTS comes with some equipment and options you couldn't get on an S.
But, the basic premise is correct. Once the 992.1 S and GTS are both tuned, the difference is the brakes and helper springs which may or may not be worth the price bump.
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I have not had a lot of seat time with the new tune but driving my normal routes (some spirited) I can say that with the @Softronic tune, the car feels more smoother. Someone had commented previously that the car is like stock but more than stock.
My previous tune felt as if it was never smooth comparing it to this one. Letting off the throttle and slowing down or accelerating at low speeds was always jerky. Don’t get me wrong the previous tune brought the car to life and the support from them has always been on par. I did go through 5-6 revisions but it was never just right.
Once the weather stays warmer and I get some more seat time I’ll write another update.
Thank you. Your comparisons are helpful and appreciated. Originally Posted by BlitzIS
Just wanted to do an update since having the tune installed. It’s hard to believe we were shut down all last week with below freezing temps and ice on the ground and today it’s 80*!I have not had a lot of seat time with the new tune but driving my normal routes (some spirited) I can say that with the @Softronic tune, the car feels more smoother. Someone had commented previously that the car is like stock but more than stock.
My previous tune felt as if it was never smooth comparing it to this one. Letting off the throttle and slowing down or accelerating at low speeds was always jerky. Don’t get me wrong the previous tune brought the car to life and the support from them has always been on par. I did go through 5-6 revisions but it was never just right.
Once the weather stays warmer and I get some more seat time I’ll write another update.
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call me old fashioned but I just couldn’t do a tune on my base 922 24 model.Originally Posted by GusB
purchased a softronic stage 1 tune for my base 992. Very pleased with results. Car now has the power I was looking for and I didn’t have to buy an S or GTS. Very easy to install. Great folks to work with. a few emails and I was up and running. Doing my best to not add more upgrades but the idea of more power with a stage 2 tune is very tempting. Maybe my wife will surprise me for father’s day.
i know it adds power but there’s something psychological about mucking with the pristine engineering that Porsche deliver.
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I'm sure there are charts on Scotts site. I'll run and take a look.
The Softronic tune bumps both the S and GTS to the same power level, which is well above a stock GTS (…from 443 and 473 respectively, to 560). Yes, the “S” gains more, but it was detuned from the start.Originally Posted by 2023PythonGTS
I have a GTS. I got info that the S tune brings it up to the GTS, THUS THE CONFUSION. If what you're saying is the S tune can "Bring it up to a TUNED GTS” then it makes far more sense implying the GTS is tuned even higher. I questioned as to why one would get a tune for a GTS if in fact a GTS is a tuned S. Haven't a clue as to how much Porsche leaves on the table in terms of what this particular engine is capable of.I'm sure there are charts on Scotts site. I'll run and take a look.
Got mine installed, happy customer, thanks Scott!. 992.1 T here. Seems to rev a bit easier than before, a nice improvement. I never drove in normal mode before, only sport, but as someone else stated normal mode now feels like it should. The only option I selected was the PSE valves open, I'm not sure I like it. Exhaust is a bit louder and has more drone. I need to live with it for a bit, but that is the only thing I'm not sure about.
I ended up getting a PC to do the update, I could not get my Mac to work. Also I used a Bosch power supply, worked really well. During the flash there were some warning lights and errors on the dash, little concerning but trust the process. Coolant fans never came on, but everything finished correctly took about 10 min or so. Glad I had a power supply the battery lost about 0.5V during the tune process.
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I ended up getting a PC to do the update, I could not get my Mac to work. Also I used a Bosch power supply, worked really well. During the flash there were some warning lights and errors on the dash, little concerning but trust the process. Coolant fans never came on, but everything finished correctly took about 10 min or so. Glad I had a power supply the battery lost about 0.5V during the tune process.
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Scott can tweak your tune to not open your exhaust valves, I had him do that as I didn't like the drone of the 100% open valves. I don't mean to speak for him but I know it can be done. Gentian911 Porsche deliberately kept the base/T power down so they didn't encroach on the S/GTS too much. Tune and enjoy, it's not just power but also smoother and the added torque is something you enjoy every time you drive.
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It's an interesting question, and something I thought about both before and now after having the car for several months. Yes, if end power/speed are the main or only factors and you plan to tune, then the S would make sense. As others have mentioned, GTS gets you some things you can't get on an S and vice versa. For example, some people love Alcantara and can't get those seats in an S. Or, you can't get the heritage interior in a GTS. S is a little more refined, quieter I think.Originally Posted by 2023PythonGTS
had I considered this, I probably would have shopped an S and saved the 60k
When I was doing my search, I was open to both and jumped on the first one that met all my option requirements. I personally love the GTS interior seats, and I think the sport design/aerokit looks slightly better on the GTS. Knowing what I know now, perhaps would have opted for an S with heritage interior but I love my car and have zero regrets. If I ever sell I'll recoup the premium I paid somewhat. Also, I don't think the delta is 60k, at least when I was looking it was more like 20k.
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When I was doing my search, I was open to both and jumped on the first one that met all my option requirements. I personally love the GTS interior seats, and I think the sport design/aerokit looks slightly better on the GTS. Knowing what I know now, perhaps would have opted for an S with heritage interior but I love my car and have zero regrets. If I ever sell I'll recoup the premium I paid somewhat. Also, I don't think the delta is 60k, at least when I was looking it was more like 20k.
Huh?!?! Make this make sense to me. I think your mind is playing tricks on you. They look exactly alike, so how would the AeroKit “look better on the GTS”? The only visible difference would be the center locks, but even a GTS can be had in 5-lug configuration.Originally Posted by oc25
It's an interesting question, and something I thought about both before and now after having the car for several months. Yes, if end power/speed are the main or only factors and you plan to tune, then the S would make sense. As others have mentioned, GTS gets you some things you can't get on an S and vice versa. For example, some people love Alcantara and can't get those seats in an S. Or, you can't get the heritage interior in a GTS. S is a little more refined, quieter I think.When I was doing my search, I was open to both and jumped on the first one that met all my option requirements. I personally love the GTS interior seats, and I think the sport design/aerokit looks slightly better on the GTS. Knowing what I know now, perhaps would have opted for an S with heritage interior but I love my car and have zero regrets. If I ever sell I'll recoup the premium I paid somewhat. Also, I don't think the delta is 60k, at least when I was looking it was more like 20k.
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It's a slight difference like I mentioned, here's what I'm referring to. Definitely a subjective preference, but I prefer the uniform bottom part of the rear in black versus the body paint portions. Without aerokit I think it's the same deviation if sport design is optioned. Obviously easily fixable though with some vinyl wrapping etc.Originally Posted by M3Inline6
Huh?!?! Make this make sense to me. I think your mind is playing tricks on you. They look exactly alike, so how would the AeroKit “look better on the GTS”? The only visible difference would be the center locks, but even a GTS can be had in 5-lug configuration.
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