F8Driver

My guess, the 3.0 engine at 992.1 GTS spec.

Alan Smithee

...and they call the 992.2 GTS a hybrid, even though it is not one by current definition.

There will be 20+ variations of the 992.2. No doubt 5 of them will be S models...C2S and C4S in coupe and cab, and C4S Targa.

CanAutM3

Not so with the 992, where the turbo series was made as the sportiest trim of the non-GT variants. The GTS actually borrowed a lot from the turbo-series.

It seems that with the 992.2, the GTS is overstepping in the base turbo territory, leaving even more room for an -S.

CanAutM3

Not sure what you imply by that. The 992.2 GTS uses a hybrid power source, so it is by definition a hybrid.

Alan Smithee

No, a hybrid vehicle by common definition has two independent powertrains, electric and ICE, capable of running independently or together. The electric motor does not propel the 992.2 under any circumstances...it only cooperates with the ICE to provide supplemental power...it's a mild hybrid by definition. Many manufacturers currently employ mild hybrid powertrains...MB, BMW, JLR...and going back at least 15 years even GM...none of them market or consider their vehicles hybrids.

2thHappy

Correcto mundo

2thHappy

That would be the Turbo and Turbo S

GreggT

Boy, those front moving, gimmick fins are ugly.

johnohara

This ^^^ .... and an available manual.

The benefit of this strategy is that if the GTS hybrid has issues there will be fewer of them to fix ... but enough to shake out the bugs. Plus it keeps a manual option in the mix until Porsche figures out how to add it to the hybrid drivetrain.

dontbeslow

Unlikely if they have to meet the Lambda=1 Air/Fuel requirements for the EU. With the larger turbos and the new tuning, the base isn't making much more power than last year.

ipse dixit

Says who?

CodyBigdog

My own definition of a “hybrid car” is one that can be propelled (independently) by electric or gas…or both. But while the 992.2 augments its propulsive method by electrical, as I understand it, the 992.2 can not run solely on electrical power. It’s a “hybrid of a hybrid”. 😎

My 2010 Prius, the car that “popularized” the hybrid car….could still get me from A to B, even if I had no gas…so long as the distance was less than 2 miles, or so. 😳

But people can call it whatever they want. Really doesn’t matter. In the end, I don’t think the average person really cares.

CodyBigdog

What you say makes sense.

When given the choice between the 992.1 S and the 992.1 GTS, the S outsold the GTS by a considerable margin. Because of the higher cost for the GTS? Fewer being made, so longer wait times? Don’t know? Now, with the additional bump in price of the new 992.2 GTS, AND, the reluctance of some buyers not wanting an automatic “hybrid” car, I’m guessing fewer 992.2 GTS vs the 992.1 GTS will be sold? But pure speculation.

I think it makes sense that Porsche would try to (purposely) restrict/slow sales down a bit until it’s sure no “gotcha” appears with the new 992.2 GTS. At least in the 1st year of the rollout.

CodyBigdog

I have a question: Since the hybrid 992.2 needs to be driven (ie, no plugging in) to replenish the battery used to drive the electrical motors, is there any concern about that battery loosing charge/depleting if the car sits idle for weeks/months? Is the hybrid battery re-charged when you put the car on a battery tender (for your 12v battery)? And what happens if the hybrid battery goes dead…is the car still functional, but with reduced power output?

Larson E. Rapp

Smart money would get rid of the 12V battery altogether, but I haven't heard if that's what they did with the GTS. Buck/boost converters could be used to make the 400V battery behave like a 12V one, saving a lot of weight.

That's equally true for normal EVs, though, which still have 12V batteries for reasons I've never understood. (Well, for conventional EVs the cost is a factor, but it shouldn't be when we're talking about a $200K 911 where the #1 goal is to save weight.)