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Old 05-31-2024, 10:51 AM
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My intent was to try and balance the vitriol in posts regarding the 992.2 by finding a snippet of negative critical review comparing the new gen 911 to the preceding gen for each generation. Might still do this but have no doubt the result would be 60 years of nostalgic pining for the previous generation followed by the last gen becoming the new standard bearer.

Instead I found the review linked below that trashes the first gen 911 that is the historical basis for all that cars that came later. Same thing has been happening for 60 years. Maybe the advertising should be Porsche 911 - Pissing off the prior gen owners since 1963.

https://driventowrite.com/2023/12/02...he-911-review/
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The only thing guaranteed is 'change' (and those that don't like it).
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That was a great read, thanks!
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The thing is, previous changes may have been technology driven, or in many cases also cost driven.

The problem with the 992.2 changes is that they are being driven by politics which are considered by many to be dogmatic, pressed by a (loud) minority upon the (sadly mainly silent) majority.
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Originally Posted by InfiniteSmiles
The thing is, previous changes may have been technology driven, or in many cases also cost driven.

The problem with the 992.2 changes is that they are being driven by politics which are considered by many to be dogmatic, pressed by a (loud) minority upon the (sadly mainly silent) majority.
Air to water cooled was, if you want to put this way, also "driven by politics" and not necessarily technology.

And we all survived.

In fact, I would say water cooled 911s are infinitely better than air cooled ones, despite the romanticized nostalgia behind them.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Air to water cooled was, if you want to put this way, also "driven by politics" and not necessarily technology.

And we all survived.

In fact, I would say water cooled 911s are infinitely better than air cooled ones, despite the romanticized nostalgia behind them.
It really depends on what lens you're looking through. Modern cars are less fun to drive to a lot of us than older cars. So when you say they're "better" you might be thinking of different metrics than someone else. I would trade back safety, power, and grip for more fun and engagement
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I feel that everytime a new chassis is released, people hate on it until they get used to it
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Some models don’t fall back into favor. This to me is more akin to the 996 than any other generation. Whale mouth front end and decontenting plus a complex hybrid engine with no manual. Only benefit is more speed but the cars are already fast enough.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Air to water cooled was, if you want to put this way, also "driven by politics" and not necessarily technology.

And we all survived.

In fact, I would say water cooled 911s are infinitely better than air cooled ones, despite the romanticized nostalgia behind them.
It's true. My Touring is better driving car in every possible metric. It's faster, more dynamic, much better handling, nicer sounding, the engine is 1000x more exciting than an air cooled car. It's also less temperamental and easier to live with as a daily driver. It's close to perfect.

That said - I love my 993. The big open greenhouse and the immediacy of the throttle and steering. The small size and unique looks. I like that I can fix a lot of things in my garage. 40mph feels like 60mph.

Every generation gets better, but there are always things about the previous gen that make them worth owning. A great car doesn't just stop being great because something new has come out.

As maligned as the 996 may be, it was a great driving car and its looks are aging well. Jethro from Evo has a nice one.




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As I've said, no one loves to hate new Porsches more than current Porsche owners.
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Originally Posted by InfiniteSmiles
The thing is, previous changes may have been technology driven, or in many cases also cost driven.

The problem with the 992.2 changes is that they are being driven by politics which are considered by many to be dogmatic, pressed by a (loud) minority upon the (sadly mainly silent) majority.

100%…Porsche may be playing the “performance only” fiddle, because that was the driver of previous changes…but let’s face it, that’s absolute garbage.
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It's true. My Touring is better driving car in every possible metric. It's faster, more dynamic, much better handling, nicer sounding, the engine is 1000x more exciting than an air cooled car. It's also less temperamental and easier to live with as a daily driver. It's close to perfect.

That said - I love my 993. The big open greenhouse and the immediacy of the throttle and steering. The small size and unique looks. I like that I can fix a lot of things in my garage. 40mph feels like 60mph.

Every generation gets better, but there are always things about the previous gen that make them worth owning. A great car doesn't just stop being great because something new has come out.

As maligned as the 996 may be, it was a great driving car and its looks are aging well. Jethro from Evo has a nice one.
Just because something is not as good (996) as a newer version (992) does not make the older thing bad.

It's just not as good.

It still may be good, but just not as good.

The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Originally Posted by Zoomnbyu
My intent was to try and balance the vitriol in posts regarding the 992.2 by finding a snippet of negative critical review comparing the new gen 911 to the preceding gen for each generation. Might still do this but have no doubt the result would be 60 years of nostalgic pining for the previous generation followed by the last gen becoming the new standard bearer.

Instead I found the review linked below that trashes the first gen 911 that is the historical basis for all that cars that came later. Same thing has been happening for 60 years. Maybe the advertising should be Porsche 911 - Pissing off the prior gen owners since 1963.

https://driventowrite.com/2023/12/02...he-911-review/

this article was the most refreshing car review I have read in quite some time! It was almost as if the author wasn’t afraid the manufacturer would get mad and revoke their credentials and never let him review their cars again. So many reviews these days are nothing more than puff pieces. A very enjoyable read. Thanks for the link.
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Why is disliking something based on a preference labeled as “hate”. Do you hate Latino chicks just because you may have a preference for blondes? Sometimes a new thing doesn’t resonate the same as another thing. Tastes are very personal.
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Originally Posted by M3Inline6
Why is disliking something based on a preference labeled as “hate”. Do you hate Latino chicks just because you may have a preference for blondes? Sometimes a new thing doesn’t resonate the same as another thing. Tastes are very personal.
Um, that is kind of the definition of hate.

It's just a degree of magnitude of dislike.




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